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allright, allright, i really didn't want to do this but am starting a dictatorship, and my first law is that hurting bulba is forbidden, penalty is tickling to death, yep am a curel ruler.

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Bulbasaur: 26

Cyndaquil: 23

Totodile: 23

Mudkip: 25

Turtwig: 13

Chimchar: 8

Piplup: 18

Snivy: 12

Oshawott: 16

Chespin: 20

Fennekin: 12

Froakie: 11

Rowlet: 14

Popplio: 19

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talking about beauty and good design of water pokemon without metnioning Quagsire, SMH....

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I'd have to agree that Delphox is much better "mage-like" pokemon than gardevoir is, I wouldn't have guessed that Gardevoir was based on a sage/wizard unless someone told me honestly. 

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You just declared WAR!

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That might be true about exeggutor but I still don't see meganium being anything other than a pure grass type IMO.

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jsut curious but why would meganium be psychic? i can understand fairy but...

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it seems fire starters are the least popular(here at least) didn't expect that.

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Bulbasaur: 26

Cyndaquil: 27

Totodile: 22

Mudkip: 22

Turtwig: 16

Chimchar: 9

Piplup: 23

Snivy: 14

Oshawott: 17

Chespin: 20

Fennekin: 13

Froakie: 12

Rowlet: 19

Litten: 6

Popplio: 22

was hard to decide who to hurt, but i guess discount-bulbasaur is a good start.

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Muahahaha, but now i need to find another target, i'll think about it tomorrow.

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I actually used torchic and treckoo a lot more than mudkip in game, but swampert was in my teams consistently since forever in competetive, so i simply grew attached to it more than the other 2. Trecko used to be my favorite but it consistentlymanaged to disspoint me so i became meh about it. and torchic while i still like, is broken as they get so I don't use it as much.

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@WolfoxI've been using a Primarina in my Reshiram path run(currently at shade) along with a bred venusaur because it's a default on my teams.

And i gotta say, It's pretty freaking good pokemon.

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@Azeria Is that a shaved bulbsaur?

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Eitherway i just hope the pig was the last fire-fighting starter. I mean 3 times and IN A ROW, come game freak, i almsot feel they changed litten to dark halfway through developement.

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am not but who cares about discount-torchic ? 

Don't kill me am joking, but it funny because before hidden abilities, Blaziken was budget-infernape but all changed in gen 5.

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While there are qutie a few starters i dislike more than charmander(I mean he's a great partner with Sun venusaur which is one of my favorite sets ever), none of them is as overrated as he is, especially when most of my IRL friends are casuls when it comes to pokemon(for lack of better term) so everytime pokemon is mentioned it's ERMAHGOD CHARIZARD THE DRAGON IS SOO COOL!!! it gets annoying after a while.  

Other than that, am simply assuring Bulba's uncontested and objective position as ZA BESTO GEN 1 STARTARO.

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Bulbasaur: 25

Charmander: 5

Cyndaquil: 25

Totodile: 21

Mudkip: 22
Turtwig: 21

Chimchar: 12

Piplup: 23

Snivy: 15

Oshawott: 18

Chespin: 18

Fennekin: 16

Froakie: 16

Rowlet: 19

Litten: 12

Popplio: 24

all right guys finish off the second most overrated mon of all time!!

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yeah kinda sadly, i don't hate any starter line even chikorita line has baeleaf which has an awesome design IMO. but if i had to hurt something might as well make bulba at least the king of Gen 1 because am not sure he'll make all the way to the end.

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Bulbasaur: 26

Charmander: 8

Cyndaquil: 29

Totodile: 20

Treecko: 1

Mudkip: 23

Turtwig: 19

Chimchar: 14

Piplup: 23

Snivy: 16

Oshawott: 19

Chespin: 19

Fennekin: 20

Froakie: 16

Rowlet: 20

Litten: 12

Popplio: 22

You guys should start giving venusaur an auto +1 every day so i don't have to come here every day because no way in hell am healing anything else while ma boy is still in the game!!! 

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hatching a drampa egg would be hilarious.

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I agree without that immunity nothing would stop dragon dancing lizards but my point was that fairy might need a tiny little nerf on the defensive side, which one it is, am not sure. i thought about a weakness to fire but that seems a bit too harsh since it's kinda too common.

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2 hours ago, Thundermaze said:

Bulbasaur is my fav starter by far,by a great far, but i will try to avenge fairy ~

Don't punish poor bulbasaur!! either way i was too late to participate in the fairy killing even though i can't deny i wouldn't have helped with it if i was there.(i don't dislike fairy mons themselves as much as i feel that the type needs some common weakness added or it's immunity reduced to resistance to be balanced, preferably the former because immunity adds a cool strategic layer)

 

@Dragoknight I'd say Venusaur(non mega) shouldn't be even on that list(even though it's still better as  tank than those you put below it) because honestly it's best role is a sun sweeper which it performs pretty well in UU and RU from my experiance, Basically nobody plays regular venusaur as a tank since gen 4. Other than that i 100% agree, chestnaught typing and moveset hold it back compared to the others on that list.

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Another thing to keep in mind is that Pokemon can go from good-> bad or bad->Good depending on gen. Blaziken was meh competetively in gen4(from what i remember anyway), Non-Mega Venusaur was a monster in gen 5 and the top grass mon alongside Exeguttor in gen 2. Charizard varied between average and straight up awfull pre gen6. Point is, very few mons, much less starters were consistently good(I'd say swampert or infernape are the closest  to this) and consistently bad(Meganium for example).

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Bulbasaur: 25

Charmander: 10

Squirtle : 7

Cyndaquil: 25

Totodile: 18

Treecko: 12

Torchic: 13

Mudkip: 24

Turtwig: 21

Chimchar: 16

Piplup: 21

Snivy: 17

Tepig :1

Oshawott: 20

Chespin: 15

Fennekin: 20

Froakie: 20

Rowlet: 18

Litten: 16

Popplio: 24

sorry @Thundermaze gotta stick to bulba-gen-1-dominance phase first then i'll start helping!

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My biggest problem with ash gren is that it takes away the most unique and fun part of greninja and it's protean. That and also the fact that's it takes no mega slot for some reason, It's stupid and bullshit and boring and should have stayed in the anime were it belongs. That said I can't downvote froakie right now, it's a well designed pokemon with a great movepool and an awesome ability, Much worse starters are still on the list.