N8theGr8

Ooooh, I have a good moment for here! Battle against Bullet, CC, he has an incredibly broken Growlithe with Fire Blast and Sunny Day and my last Pokemon is a Yanma with Shadow Ball: [quote]Start of turn 16 The foe's Growlithe used Sunny Day! The sunlight turned harsh! Metang used Frustration! The foe's Growlithe lost 42% of its health! The sunlight is strong! Start of turn 17 The foe's Growlithe used Fire Blast! It's super effective! Metang lost 228 HP! (100% of its health) Metang fainted! The sunlight is strong! Tenshi: :3 N8: You've gotta be kidding me. N8 sent out Yanma! Yanma knows its foe holds Mago Berry because of Frisk! N8: MISS Tenshi: xD Start of turn 18 Yanma used Shadow Ball! A critical hit! The foe's Growlithe lost 58% of its health! The foe's Growlithe fainted! Tenshi: FUCK N8 won the battle![/quote] This was so lucky, it's my 777th post. :3

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After Bullet and I made a few calcs, both formes of Deoxys that were previously Uber are now OU. Deoxys-A looks like a huge threat at first, but literally any neutral priority fucks it over. Also, it doesn't have a way to boost beyond Calm Mind, and that's a turn it can't get hit at all, otherwise it's dead. Even at +1 SpDef, lots and lots of Special Attackers 1HKO Deoxys-A. And because Deoxys-A can't boost effectively (which honestly, +1 Salamence is more frightening than Deoxys-A), lots of things can come in and take Deoxys-A's attacks. Nattorei gets a special mention for taking hits on both ends of the spectrum, and fearing little outside of Superpower, which forces a switch, and fire attacks. Deoxys-D, who seemed less surprising to drop, was made OU because Cresselia, who is in BL, is honestly just as good at taking hits [i]if not better[/i]. tl;dr All Deoxys Formes are OU [b]IF ANYTHING BECOMES TOO BROKEN, THEY MAY BECOME UBER AGAIN AT ANY TIME SO BE READY.[/b] EDIT: Two small changes: Electivire is now UU, and Snorlax is now BL.

This has got to be the [i]worst[/i] adjective to use for this. [img]http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/d/df/Pokemon-GSC-Johto-DarkCaveLevel1.png/300px-Pokemon-GSC-Johto-DarkCaveLevel1.png[/img] [b]Dark[/b] Cave after you've lighted it up. Otherwise it's just...dark.

[img]http://knowyourmeme.com/i/782/original/original_mudkipz.jpg[/img] How it all started.

This is a work of modern art. The first page brought tears to my eyes. Bravo, and please continue!

[img]http://www.unitedspongebob.com/pictures/spongebob/maniac.jpg[/img] HE'S ON THE LOOSE

Fair enough. We'll go with what our P.O. leaders decide; they know what they're doing more than we do. As for now, Shadow Tag Shandera remains OU, and that leads to the end of our Suspect Pokemon. [b][size=3][color="#FF0000"]TOPIC CLOSED[/color][/size][/b]

Deoxys Normal and Mew are now both OU. Deoxys is incredibly frail and is completely fucked by anything faster than it and priority. Base 50 HP and Defenses means even neutral hits are able to 1HKO. Mew is stopped by Taunt, and by just killing it. It's bulkier and faster than Smeargle, but it doesn't have access to Spore. Plus, with Mischievious Heart Taunters, Mew shouldn't be too much of a problem. Plus, Mew is [i]UU[/i] by usage right now. So, that just leaves Shadow Tag Shandera as suspect. Go to the Suspect thread so we can further discuss; if no one posts anything in defense Shadow Tag Shandera [i]will be Uber[/i]. EDIT: Shandera has been discussed; we will go with what P.O. decides as they have a suspect discussion going there as well. For now, it remains OU. And with that, it leads to the end of our Suspect Pokemon.

There's five there. =_=

Deoxys-S is OU, due to Geo, Bullet, and myself all agreeing that he is easily stopped by priority, and more so, Mischievous Heart.

Let me start this off with a quote from P.O. quoting Smogon: [quote]Shandera @ Choice Scarf Shadow Tag Timid 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe - Overheat - Shadow Ball - Energy Ball - Hidden Power Ice Pokemon in the top 50 whose standard sets can be trapped, outsped and OHKO'd (after SR) Nattorei, Doryuuzu (assuming no sand), Breloom, Jaroda, Espeon, Garchomp, Scizor, Ulgamoth, Zapdos, Dragonite, Genosect, Cloyster, Starmie, Erufuun, Gengar, Zoroark, Borutorosu, Forretress, Salamence, Randorosu, Skarmory, Gliscor, Latios, Metagross, Jirachi, Lucario, Kojondo. That's 27/50. So just to reiterate; a whopping 54% of the metagame are forced into a checkmate position by Shandera. If you would like to continue your 'what about Duggy and Maggy!' arguments then I challenge you to compile a similar list of statistics and see if the aforementioned get anywhere near to the franky preposterous figure of 54%.[/quote] And now, for my own points: [img]http://209.85.62.24/114/106/0/p365174/ShanderaFront.gif[/img] Ghost/Fire 60 HP / 55 Atk / 90 Def / 145 SpA / 90 SpD / 80 Spe Weak to: Rock, Water, Dark, Ghost, Ground Resists: Bug (4x), Fire (sans Flash Fire), Grass, Ice, Steel, Poison Immune: Fighting, Normal, Fire (with Flash Fire) Shandera, one of the most defining Pokemon of the 5th Generation metagame. It traps whatever you want it to, kills it, and then runs. And there's nothing you can do to stop that except pack one of two things: A Shed Shell or a Tyranitar to revenge kill it with Pursuit. I'll bring up 3 major points, and then we'll have at it. ~He is able to 1HKO 54% of the metagame after Stealth Rock ~Because of Shadow Tag, you are unable to switch to a counter after he is sent in ~He is able to switch in and out under many opportunities, as he has 6 resistances and 2 immunities, assuming no Flash Fire There is nothing more for me to say.

I'm opening a Suspect Discussion for Shadow Tag Shandera, because he's the most suspect of our suspects as of now.

[quote]many people still consider them Uber, and just don't want to use them[/quote] [quote]They're not broken enough to be Uber anymore![/quote] I'm pretty sure that's contradicting yourself.

You can't say the battles here are even close to what the metagame actually is. Will uses a Rayquaza, for God's sake.

Ame, he was talking about Beta and /tr/, not here. Here Shandy isn't a problem, but on other servers I see a Choice Scarf Shadow Tag Shandera [i]every other battle[/i].

Ooooh, I remembered I'm a mod here now. [b][color="#FF0000"]TOPIC CLOSED TO AVOID FIGHTING AND BECAUSE IT WAS STUPID TO BEGIN WITH[/color][/b]

How come I knew Kajj posted this topic even without looking at the OP?

Then explain to me why Salamence, Garchomp, [i]and[/i] Latios are all on that list.

They're discussing not banning Shandera; only banning Shadow Tag due to the fact that Shandera's far from broken without Shadow Tag and wouldn't be able to fare well in the Uber metagame. If you looked at the topic; Shandera 1HKOs a whopping 54% of all Pokes after Stealth Rock. Even without Shadow Tag, Shandera would [i]still[/i] be OU. EDIT: Moved Shadow Tag Shandera to Suspect, because, quite frankly, you can't deny how broken it is. There are facts, go to the suspect discussion that Geo linked to and read some things before you start spewing out nonsense. EDIT 2: Bullet, Geo said that [i]98%[/i] of Shandera run the typical Choice Scarf moveset. That means that nearly all the time you see a Shandera, it's that one and the only reason people run other sets is for the surprise factor.

[quote]I think I should just point out that this list is hardly reliable, due to the extremely unstable state of the metagame.[/quote] OU is based off of usage, not the power of a PKMN. Remember that. I honestly think the list has gotten a lot better since when they started at the beginning of October; there's very little on the list I'm questioning. I'm just wondering where the fuck some Pokes like [b]Latias, Mew, and Celebi[/b] are. The two former were Uber last generation and would fuck up UU beyond all repair.

Err, the standard Nattorei set is Leech Seed, Spikes, Power Whip, and Gyro Ball.

Two edits, both regarding Tail Glow: Volbeat is now UU due to having an epic combo: Tail Glow, Baton Pass, and Mischievous Heart. That alone makes it perfect for any special sweeper. Manaphy is Uber because Rain is too common and Tail Glow makes it even more powerful.

If you're looking for a super-fast Pokemon to reset stat boosts, might I suggest Crobat with Haze? I'm pretty sure his Base Speed ties Jolteon, so that should help. Anyway, this isn't really the right thread to discuss help with teams; open up one instead to talk about this stuff.

Helping you out, Tail Glow became even more broken and now is a +3 boost.