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It is now even more obvious that Madame X is Melia, or an alternate Melia, given that Melia is able to recall Madame X's memories like how Mosely remembered her alternate self. A complication comes about, though, in why Melia and 'Maria' are different.
What we know:
The universe has been reset at least once before
Clear, Kieran and whoever they're working for (which has already been shown to be Madame X) are from an 'alternate universe'. I feel like the wording is important, in that it says not an alternate timeline.
The Melia family in this timeline is Erin, Alice, Allen and 'Maria'.
Maria says she 'remembers everything' when she activates her own super archetype powers shortly after winning the third badge from her.
Going off this my speculation goes something along the lines of
Timeline 1: Maria and friends go about their merry business until some disaster happens, super storm 9. Interceptor intervenes, reset happens.
Then any number of resets occur that eventually leads to Maria getting increasingly desperate as she remembers things from alternate timelines and tries to avert super storm 9. Eventually, she reaches out to the alternate universe, and pulls out her alt self, Melia, to be raised here to one day harvest her superpowers. The current timeline is the result of that. Madame X is Maria, who has pulled Melia from elsewhere. She probably needs Melia specifically because her superpowers have something to do with her objective of safely detonating Yveltal, which has Indriad hooked up to it as a flawless phylactery.
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I think for me it was by the end of episode 12, involving time travel for Melia to fight Melia (Melanie) while 99.99999% Melia (Madame X) watches while there's this sudden shift in focus to Venam and Melia loving each other that it finally hit me this isn't a Pokemon game. There were also plenty of opportunities for Pokemon to fill in the roles in the plot that just.. weren't. Spacea and Tiempa being superpowered people instead of Dialga and Palkia, the whole dreamworld not involving Cresselia or Darkrai, multiple wizard duels (Karen/Karrina), multiple robot fights (Ren suddenly turning into combat mode against super Gardevoir instead of, you know, sending out his Pokemon as well). Hell, its even pointed out during the part Madelis and Melia are captured by the Amandabot that they've completely forgotten that they have superpowered loyal pets to fight the robot in front of them, and they wasted their time watching a robot fight just before that.
So many things could have been avoided just by people remembering they have Pokemon. Remember Melia getting kidnapped at the volcano after you WIN the fight against the Xen admins? We know Pokemon can come out of their balls on their own, do Melia's Pokemon hate her that much?
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I'm mainly here to say that Team Anti-assist feels like blatant padding, it feels like there was some perceived obligation to meet some quota of help center quests, but there was only so many good ideas for quests. So anti-assist was cooked up.
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On 6/3/2021 at 10:56 AM, Caz said:
Everyone else has tracked down all the tracks except Feeling - Beauty. I did modify some of them to fit a bit better. As for Feeling - Beauty in 5.1 and before, I'm actually not certain of the source. I believe it was from Alex Roe (RoeTaka), but I can't be certain. For that same reason, this track is one of many that has been replaced for Episode 6.
That is really unfortunate, I think it's one of the best pieces in the whole game in both the song itself and its placement.
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Bumping, since I'm still looking for Feeling - Beauty. The silver rise part, especially with the reduced encounter rate, was one of the best in the game.
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On 5/26/2021 at 4:10 AM, O0mega said:
So touching on the Madame X being Melia, Maria, or anything along those lines. In the archive under..route 6? The one where it speaks about the interceptor's core. In the bottom right corner theres a book speaking about the Archetype's Influence which notes those who are "possessed" gain golden eyes, skin and hair. Which makes sense with Melia being blond along with her siblings. It also mentions that those who have the power removed have their original appearance restored. So maybe Madame X did have that power in one way and another then lost it which caused her hair to be..black? Its been awhile since I finished the pyramid fight.
Remember that according to the hospital reports, Anathea (Maria's mother) is stated to have black hair. Madame X is 100% a Melia of some kind, or I'm tattooing Melia's face on my asscheeks.
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Yeah, I managed to recreate too. Still looking for Feeling - Beauty.
Also, for the curious, Feeling - Evil is Gaunter O'dimm's theme from the Witcher 3.
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Desolation has a pretty impressive range of music, so much that I actually want to find out where a lot of BGM tracks come from. Most of them are labeled with titles and artists in the game folder, but there's a few I haven't managed to track down. Does anyone know the sources of these?
Feeling - Beauty
The track that plays in the Silver Rise cavern. It took me forever to find because, as it turned out, Caz actually used RPGmaker to modulate the pitch to make it fit the atmosphere much more, which is really a commendable commitment.
Battle - Hardy
This is labeled as Tellur Town Autumn from Pokken Tournament, but the uploads on youtube sound different. I have no idea if this is a specific remix or somehow altered.
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On 1/8/2021 at 4:21 AM, nam23 said:
well damn you pull no punches
You certainly gives good argument for that old theory(it has never been a bad one but it sounds so easy it could be a red herring)
When melia recollect having seen venam in the bad future before awakening her power, madame x makes a sarcasm about how it must be the power of friendship or similar crap
But then later when melia remember that comment she mocks it because madame x cannot see that her relationship with venam is more than friendship.If madame x was venam she would know that
But it s not a theory shattering point because
1) a melia turned madame x may not want to out herself
2)it s possible the madame x persona was made from a version of melia who doesn't know venam, or who never developped their relationship to romantic, or who never realized she liked women
Well yeah, poor Indriad was just trying to enjoy a nice day in his mansion and then Venam, of all the awful people, breaks into his house in the sewer to harass him. It's easy to see how Indriad would see the creation of humanity as a mistake just from looking at the main cast.
It also feels obvious that Madame X is a Melia without the PoWeR oF FrIeNdsHiP, which is probably part of why she's lost the power of the Archetype. Madame X talks about Amber as a 'brat in this timeline too' like she knew her personally enough to be annoyed by her, so in this timeline Melia probably acted like a normal human would to the antics of her 'friends' and abandoned them to eventually become Madame X.
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So why are special Team Xen people needed to hunt down deserters in the desert sidequest, when other Team Xen deserters could have presumably their souls sucked out remotely once they're deemed useless enough? It happened to the Xen guy in the Garufa ruins under Caratos, and also the guy in Amethyst cave where we found the Madame X 3D printer. So why is an 'X-grunt' needed to hunt down the deserters in the ruined badlands city, other than being what I think is a Nier Automata reference? And for that matter, why are an elite secret group of assassins called 'grunts' at all?
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It should be extremely obvious to everyone already, but all the evidence says that Madame X is Melia. I almost bought the Saki theory, but Madame X's old full team in previous versions didn't have a single steel type and was just a really boring mash of powerful mons (Hydreigon, Volcarona, Goodra, Garchomp, Salamence) along with her Yveltal. aki also doesn't mention Freya, even though in that version Kieran already existed to give emotion powder. First of all, in the doomed future, she talks about how Amber is a 'brat is this timeline as well', like she knows Amber personally enough to find her annoying across different timelines. In the same episode there's also the timing of Madame X and Melia talking about how they both never knew their respective mothers. Her line when you beat her up in Blacksteeple, "Father, I have lost', is word for word one of the things Melanie says, and we know Melanie is a Melia.
Finally, there's her appearance under the mask. She has black hair. You know who else has black hair? Maria's (who is 99.9999999% Melia) mother, Anathea, according to the hospital records. Why do they have different hair colours? Remember the notes on the Archetype in the Archive, and how exposure to it can change subjects golden, and if removed can either leave people permanently golden or reverted to their old looks. So Madame X is a Melia who's lost the power of the Archetype and wants to take it from this Melia. Or maybe she's Erin. Also don't ask why Madame X hasn't been deleted by the universe I guess it's her suit or she spends most of her time going time traveling to stay safe, I'm sure Jan will make something up again.
The one thing that doesn't add up is her goals. Indriad wants to destroy the world, which is understandable if he's had to interact with most of the characters of the game, but Madame X seems to be trying to stop him. She's even trying to safely destroy his(?) Yveltal to put an end to things. Why would she lament failing her father Indriad when she's trying to oppose him? Unless in her timeline Indriad was a good guy. Or if she was also adopted by Jenner or a similar figure who was a good guy.
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At the start of Chapter 14, if you leave the Grand Dream Stadium, there is no way back from the Route 9 train to continue with Ch14 content. Also, in the first split control section of the space aliens pyramid, if the protagonist reaches the 'end line' first, you can't switch control to the other characters anymore. Didn't bother testing if the same bug was in the second section.
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42 minutes ago, ShogokiX said:
Hmm.....the character i dislike the most? That's obviously gotta be Fern! The type of guy who thinks he is the coolest and thus has the right to treat everyone around him like trash. Also his attitude when he arrives just after Corey commited suicide. Laughing at a person who was already down and broken, who saw no other way than ending his own life...You really need to be a first rate piece of sh*t to be like that.
Oher characters that i don't like? That's not an easy question^^ But i guess Dr. Sigmund Connal would fit that bill. Torturing children and calling it science....
I can't take Fern seriously at all, he's so ridiculously over the top as an asshole that it loops back around and I can't hate him. Besides, people in-game hate him. What really pushes me off the edge with Kiki and Victoria is that nobody calls them out for the heinous stuff they pull. Cal might as well be the Hero of Reborn City for removing her.
I also have no idea what Sigmund's deal is. Is he legit insane and thinks he still has legal authority despite joining up with Team Meteor? Or are the laws of Reborn City just that godawful? Saphira stopped Charlotte and Noel from beating his ass at their house because apparently it would be illegal, so it's not just his idea. So considering Ame seems to be part of city law enforcement when she happily watches a grunt get tortured via Torkoal in the beginning, does she have any legal authority to tell Ze Doktor to get his kiddie fiddling hands off the kids?
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On 5/16/2019 at 2:01 AM, ShogokiX said:
Sooo....while we are waiting for more updates on the EP19 Scoreboard, let's discuss about some of our favourite characters.
Personally i somehow like Cain. All these sexually themed jokes he tosses around so casually....well....it kinda caught me off guard at first, and i laughed really hard at some of these because i didn't expect them at all....
And yet i am not entirely sure whether he is just weird or supposed to be homosexual. (pls tell me, Ame!) Whatever the case, he is one of my favourite characters in Reborn.
Also i have to admit that i fell from my chair twice because of Terra. That girl is hilarious. She would fit perfectly into these comedy anime that i like to watch, those that always have that one over-the-top gag character...
I don't care whether Ame's post on April 1st on the dev blog was supposed to be an aprils fool joke or not, i want more of Terra^^
Taka is easily best boy, he tries his best. Cain is also alright, I love how he thoroughly kills the ridiculous melodrama in every scene he's in. Radomus also lives the absolute dream.
How about the opposite? Kiki deserved everything she got, why she refused to help us save the children about to be zapped by an electric madman is beyond comprehension. Because it would 'dishonour' her school to hand over the strength HM to save lives? And Victoria too, for similar reasons. Before the city gets restored she continuously gets in our way to 'test' if we're good enough or some other dumb reason without ever actually stopping to help.
How about mad butcher Titania? I really hope there's an option to ship her off to prison at the end or make her Sigmund's next test subject, if we ever have to see her again. What the hell is up with her murderous streak? Even Taka calls her out for killing surrendering, harmless people in cold blood. Does anyone like her at all? Is she supposed to be anything more than a crazed killer we have to put up with?
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Well that really sucks. There's no reason for anyone to not heed his request considering how helpful and generally nice he is, especially compared to our supposed allies. Might edit the flags in my save or something to watch the content of the episode at least.
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Is there additional content for not ratting out Taka all the way back at the water treatment plant? I heard Taka would accompany you around the desert if you decided not to cover for him and that he had a lot of dialogue, but I didn't want to leave him in a rough spot. For the 'Zekrom' route, is there other stuff to compensate or is contentwise not helping him the best thing to do?
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Wait so who is Cassandra again? I'm at the part where I'm supposed to choose what to tell her, and I'm not sure why I would want to withhold information.
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1 minute ago, ShadeStrider said:
Even if the Moral Cost is worth it, I doubt that they would break their moral codes.
Considering they have teleporting powers, it should be easy to do background checks on whoever they sell to if they care.
Melia has a magic ability that can finally see some use, and it's not used.
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Say, if Melia attracts (and even CREATES) shiny Pokemon, wouldn't the time police's funding be secured right there and then? Sure, she won't have an excuse to put on a maid outfit, but selling shinies must be profitable. And considering they're literally working to save existence I'm sure the moral cost is worth it, if you even see pokemon sale as something wrong.
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/9lyKxKn_WsE
This went through my mind at the ending sequence.
Caz, are you a TES lore fan?
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Eh, I really didn't like the Johto champion theme as the gym theme, it was way too serious. I like using the XY legendary theme a lot more, it's far more energetic and exciting, like what a gym match should be.
Too many of the battle themes are too 'serious', champion themes really shouldn't be used for ordinary trainers or wild Pokemon, I'm glad the wild theme got changes to something calmer.
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Oh-oh my.
Well, I can guarantee to anyone interested that this is going to be nice.
For those wondering, I actually helped design two of the sidequests in this episode. One can be completed start to finish before the 4th gym (although it will require advancing the main plot to a certain point). The other can be thought of as Desolation's version of the Reborn Magikarp sidequest, although it's not clear what the ultimate prize is. Some will probably be able to guess, though.Which one? The Hands or Treasure Isles?
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One of the ranger quests gives an item that'll help you manage your excess experience, just a tip.
(Spoilers) Rejuvenation, Sort of in Summation
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Whatever Rejuvenations flaws are in writing, all of them are compounded to absurd degrees by sheer character bloat. The game even lampshades it with Huey by calling him Whoey, why does he even exist at all? you could say the same for so many other filler characters who only exist to serve filler plot points, and yet the game seems to think you care about them or even remember them. I thought Gloia the hippo was cool, but did we really need cutscene time dedicated to Rhodea? It went from cool detail/easter egg to yet another waste of screentime.