What are some hard fan games?

[Shrek_Nemesis]

Some info: I am just a filthy casual pokemon trainer. Some games that I find hard are the hard modes of Reborn, Rejuv, Insurgence, and Empyrean. I am also looking for those kind of difficulties, and no necessary in artificial difficulties (ie their levels are always way higher than yours etc). Thanks.

[Dark Legend]

Pokemon Omicron. 

[bruhtonium]

pokémon clover gets pretty hard in the late game

[EmperorNova]

Pokemon Unbound is another good one that's hard as the trainers scale with your level, but it's a good hard

[OmegaStellarSolare]

11 hours ago, Dark Champion said:

Pokemon Omicron. 

You forgot Pokemon Zeta.

[Dark Legend]

Yes, that as well.

[joyshu]

pokemon empire

pokemon detergent(mod of pokemon insurgence where difficulty is higher than the vanilla insurgence)

[Dark Legend]

1 hour ago, joyshu said:

pokemon empire

pokemon detergent(mod of pokemon insurgence where difficulty is higher than the vanilla insurgence)

I didn't know it was a mod of Pokemon Insurgence! Now I wanna play it!

[joyshu]

On 3/15/2022 at 7:04 PM, Dark Champion said:

I didn't know it was a mod of Pokemon Insurgence! Now I wanna play it!

it's a completely new game, so you can't use the old insurgence,everything is insurgence except some changes 

it consider it a mod as it edits a lot of content in the game