Yash 4 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I was breeding my aggron for head smash with my tyrantrum and something wonderful weird happened.. the aron that hatched had head smash as well as.... earthquake!! i dont know why it happened.. i mean i do.. my tyrantrum had earthquake.. but i didnt think that aron had earthquake as an egg move.. and i checked.. it doesnt... so just thought it should be pointed out so that corrections to this can be made but i hope to god ame has some mercy on us and lets this be.. unless this was intentionally left in.. in that case.. oops.. Link to post Share on other sites
Vinny 27 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Don't take my words for this, but maybe Bulbapedia/Serebii missed it? I REALLY doubt it, but for my own curiosity, i'll try this in X/Y and see how it goes. At any rate, i think Ame needs to see this, so... Thanks for the report! Link to post Share on other sites
DashingStorm 3 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 ..It is possible for Aron to get Earthquake- But only through TM26. So this is a breeding glitch. Or like Vinny said, if Bulbapedia/Serebii haven't updated yet.. Then it might be possible? How would a tiny thing like Aron set off an Earthquake anyways? Link to post Share on other sites
Yash 4 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 i checked both of them and pokemondb.. they all have the same... gonna try getting earthquake for a few others to see if it works confirm that its a glitch.. how does he do a dragon rush either?? Link to post Share on other sites
DashingStorm 3 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Aron: The Pokémon of many Mysteries. Link to post Share on other sites
Yash 4 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Ya i'm sure its a glitch... hatched a snorlax with earthquake.. ... so many possibilities come to mind now.. so much breeding to do... hmm... Link to post Share on other sites
Mikzal 0 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Ya i'm sure its a glitch... hatched a snorlax with earthquake.. ... so many possibilities come to mind now.. so much breeding to do... hmm... Time to get a Flygon with Earthquake. (The easy way) Link to post Share on other sites
Lost Lore 12 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 ...This is completely normal, to my knowledge? If a Pokemon can learn a TM, then it can get that move via breeding, if the male parent knows it. That's how you have access to TMs you wouldn't have otherwise (eg. my Clefairy knows Flamethrower). Since Aron can learn Earthquake, if Tyrantrum knows it, it'll always pass down alongside Head Smash. I can't say I'd complain about it~ Link to post Share on other sites
Ukyn1993 0 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 See! THIS is why aron is best pokemon, this is why Aron should be a starter. Aron/Lairon/Aggron for President! Link to post Share on other sites
Vinny 27 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 ...This is completely normal, to my knowledge? If a Pokemon can learn a TM, then it can get that move via breeding, if the male parent knows it. That's how you have access to TMs you wouldn't have otherwise (eg. my Clefairy knows Flamethrower). Since Aron can learn Earthquake, if Tyrantrum knows it, it'll always pass down alongside Head Smash. I can't say I'd complain about it~ I'm pretty sure that's not how breeding mechanics work. Either that or i missed something... Well, time to read the breeding thing in Bulbapedia again! Link to post Share on other sites
Saber12 0 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I'm pretty sure that's not how breeding mechanics work. Either that or i missed something... Well, time to read the breeding thing in Bulbapedia again! This is exactly how breeding works at least up until pokemon black and white 2 it has always been like this. Aron can learn the TM Earthquake therefore you can breed the TM to other baby aron as well. Egg moves are sort of grouped separately as hidden moves that can't be learned by ordinary level up or TM usage. As for Gen 6 there's no need for that since TMs have no limits on usage per pokemon so instead they added a breeding mechanic that lets you use heart scales to relearn moves that were breed. So if my Froakie has toxic spikes and spikes as a breed move from another pokemon and I delete those moves in the future, I can relearn those moves at anytime as long as I have a heart scale.(Females can pass moves on to baby pokemon but I'm not quite sure how it works. Bulbapedia basically was saying that now you can get certain move combinations that weren't possible from breeding before this way. They used tentacool in the example I read but I may check later.) Is Reborn wrong? eh...mm... well technically the new breeding mechanics aren't in Reborn yet so they work the way they've always have but if Reborn is suppose to be up to date with Pokemon X and Y then no TMs can no longer be passed on by breeding. My source's are serebii and bulbapedia both on this. Guess I better get ready to say bye to Onyx and Arbok with earthquake on my next playthrough. Link to post Share on other sites
Vinny 27 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 That's where it messed my head. I was looking for 6th gen mechanics instead of Gen V, the ones that we use right now. So in a sense, it's wrong. I'll still leave this for Ame to see it. I'm sure she has knowledge of this, but hey... she needs to see it ^^ Link to post Share on other sites
Administrators Amethyst 2466 Posted April 29, 2014 Administrators Share Posted April 29, 2014 Yeah, we're on old breeding mechanics still. Saber's explanation is appreciate. So it's a little irrelevant with repeatable TMs. Despite being irrelevant, do we need to fix it? Link to post Share on other sites
Vinny 27 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 The question is: Do you mind if we access those moves without the TMs? Cuz if you don't, we can just agree to leave it like this. Link to post Share on other sites
Nan 0 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 ...This is completely normal, to my knowledge? If a Pokemon can learn a TM, then it can get that move via breeding, if the male parent knows it. That's how you have access to TMs you wouldn't have otherwise (eg. my Clefairy knows Flamethrower). Since Aron can learn Earthquake, if Tyrantrum knows it, it'll always pass down alongside Head Smash. I can't say I'd complain about it~ Actually I think passing TMs via breeding has been around since gen. 2 ? I mean in the 3rd gen I hatched a Dratini with Surf since it's father Dragonite knew that move so this is normal. Link to post Share on other sites
Vinny 27 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Yeah i messed up. I didn't breed a lot of stuff in the games before Gen V and i got confused, so sorry. The thing is that the mechanic was important before, since TM were limited. But from Gen V onwards, TMs are infinite, so that mechanic is kinda useless now. ...Useless if we're talking about main games, cuz it's still good for Reborn. That's why i asked Ame if she minds that we have those moves. if she doesn't, then there's no reason to "fix it". Link to post Share on other sites
Saber12 0 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Yeah, we're on old breeding mechanics still. Saber's explanation is appreciate. So it's a little irrelevant with repeatable TMs. Despite being irrelevant, do we need to fix it? Pleasure's all mine Ame! Yeah i messed up. I didn't breed a lot of stuff in the games before Gen V and i got confused, so sorry. The thing is that the mechanic was important before, since TM were limited. But from Gen V onwards, TMs are infinite, so that mechanic is kinda useless now. ...Useless if we're talking about main games, cuz it's still good for Reborn. That's why i asked Ame if she minds that we have those moves. if she doesn't, then there's no reason to "fix it". If a new version of pokemon essentials is made, it may automatically get changed anyways. If that's the case, fixing this as a first priority could take a lot of time. By the way I just checked marrilands site and found a possible explanation to it. <http://www.marriland.com/forums/pokemon-6th-generation/pokemon-x-y/455643-question-about-breeding-for-egg-moves> There saying that there's a chance that the baby pokemon will inherit the mothers move. Bulbapedia just confirmed that baby pokemon can inherit the mother's moves though not so much about a percent chance. The tentacruel example I referred to earlier is in the second paragraph.<http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Egg_move> However, this doesn't seem game breaking to me. I mean it's beneficial to us in Reborn but it's also extra grinding time that we choose to give ourselves. Make eggs, hatch em, and train from level one again but I don't know Reborn's overall vision. Breeding probably won't be used as much in this game if the mechanics switch over to gen 6 except for iv's maybe. Besides the games design, I don't really see enough information to explain exactly what's going on with the new breeding mechanics so it may be better to wait it out until we know what's going on with the mother/father move inheritance. Link to post Share on other sites
Yash 4 Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Im not completely sure about this but i think that only the father passes on the egg or TM moves taught to it.. though this is the first time i heard about earthquake being passed without it being learned using a TM.. i never really did much breeding before so cant be sure.. I guess that the game doesn't differentiate how the move is learned.. as long as its a TM/HM it will be passed on.. irrespective of the TM/HM being used on the father or not... or has it always been like that?? Link to post Share on other sites
gutten_tag 0 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 well, same problem with venusaur and sludge bomb. i checked in serebii and they said venusaur can only learn sludge bomb through TM, and breeding only get sludge. but the fact is i got sludge bomb on my bulbasaur through breeding, and it's quite confused. and i remember clearly that in White 2, i breed a bagon (sheer force) with haxorus ---> and my bagon hatched got both dragon dance AND OUTRAGE (outrage only listed in move tutor, it's not exist in both TM or egg move of bagon) so now we have another way to get those power moves without TM, and it can really destroy the balance of the game, right? Link to post Share on other sites
Vinny 27 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 It doesn't destroy the "balance" of the game because it's a breeding mechanic. It exists even if Ame doesn't want it. I don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people don't even bother with breeding anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
Yash 4 Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 honestly i think it balances the game a bit... .. and are you sure about the tutor moves??? because i was breeding my togekiss and it had ominous wind.. but togepi didnt have it... Link to post Share on other sites
Omega_Ra1der 4 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I don't breed other then getting power pokemon. Link to post Share on other sites
Saber12 0 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 honestly i think it balances the game a bit... .. and are you sure about the tutor moves??? because i was breeding my togekiss and it had ominous wind.. but togepi didnt have it... Tutor moves can't be bred unfortunately. Only level up, TM and the special egg moves can. Link to post Share on other sites
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