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1 hour ago, Sienna said:

Honestly? No idea at all. This is what probably bothers me the most about this story. There's no answers given to anything asked. It feels like the reason we until now haven't got the slightest clue what Team Xen wants is purely for it to be revealed later in a dramatic shocking way. This isn't a good way of writing an antagonist. We have no reason to really fight them except for plot reasons (and Melia). 

I'm honestly begging that the one thing V13 has is just answers...even just one answer. I'm tired of being left in the dark.

I believe Jan said V13 will have a lot of answers and will tie up some loose ends so that's good

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Hello Rejuvenators. I am making this thread for those who want to put down their own theories on what is going to happen in V13, characters, and etc.  I also made this thread just to have the act

Dunno if anybody is interested, but I feel like speculating a bit about the Player Character cuz they're one of the more interesting characters to me in this game So reading the various theories pe

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2 hours ago, Dausk said:

As of the current moment what do you people believe will be Team Xen's motivations? Currently it seems that they're opposing Indriad, but then I don't know why Geara would join them. From Madelis's conversation with Neved, it appears to be implied that they have vastly different reasons for joining the organization. Also, how much do the admins know of Madame X's objective? I would imagine she's keeping many things hidden from them.

 

2 hours ago, Sienna said:

Honestly? No idea at all. This is what probably bothers me the most about this story. There's no answers given to anything asked. It feels like the reason we until now haven't got the slightest clue what Team Xen wants is purely for it to be revealed later in a dramatic shocking way. This isn't a good way of writing an antagonist. We have no reason to really fight them except for plot reasons (and Melia). 

I'm honestly begging that the one thing V13 has is just answers...even just one answer. I'm tired of being left in the dark.

To me their motivation seem to be about adverting the catastrophe that is coming. 

 

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-Madame X has a philosophy that you should sacrifice one person to save millions. Such a Philosophy makes no sense from an evil villain that wants to take over the world or what not, so it would make more sense for her to have a good goal like saving the world, at any cost, which is why they need Melia's power. Sure they kill people to get to this goal, but if doing so would save more people then why would they not do so?

-Madame X helps stop the city in the past from getting blown up when the MC goes the wrong way when looking for the bomb.

-Madame X attempts to stop the timeline from changing when you "save" Vivian (or so she claims) but fails to do so. They then work with you to set the timeline right again. If they wanted to destroy the world then Madame X would have won right here, but instead they try to save it.

 

Hence, I would tend to agree that Madame X/Team Xen is indeed trying to do good, they are just using evil means to do so, but the signs point to them having a good goal.

 

Alternatively, they could just be a stereotypical evil group that wants to take over the world (but not destroy it since they would've accomplish that when you saved Vivian) and they think that having Melia's light would let them accomplish that. Naturally if Melia dies or the apocalypses happens they would be unable to take over the world.

 

So it is still possible they could be evil, but the signs point to them having a good goal for their evil methods. Least, that is what it seems like to me.

 

Here is the interesting thing thought, the person who can decide fate is the MC, the interceptor. So at the end of the day it is likely that Team Xen will need the MC's help to accomplish their goal, since you know, you literally have the power to change fate...

 

Anyway, that is my guess about what their goal is. I imagine it is saving the world from some threat, no matter the cost.

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2 minutes ago, pizzagod13 said:

 

To me their motivation seem to be about adverting the catastrophe that is coming. 

 

"Evidence"

-Madame X has a philosophy that you should sacrifice one person to save millions. Such a Philosophy makes no sense from an evil villain that wants to take over the world or what not, so it would make more sense for her to have a good goal like saving the world, at any cost, which is why they need Melia's power. Sure they kill people to get to this goal, but if doing so would save more people then why would they not do so?

-Madame X helps stop the city in the past from getting blown up when the MC goes the wrong way when looking for the bomb.

-Madame X attempts to stop the timeline from changing when you "save" Vivian (or so she claims) but fails to do so. They then work with you to set the timeline right again. If they wanted to destroy the world then Madame X would have won right here, but instead they try to save it.

 

Hence, I would tend to agree that Madame X/Team Xen is indeed trying to do good, they are just using evil means to do so, but the signs point to them having a good goal.

 

Alternatively, they could just be a stereotypical evil group that wants to take over the world (but not destroy it since they would've accomplish that when you saved Vivian) and they think that having Melia's light would let them accomplish that. Naturally if Melia dies or the apocalypses happens they would be unable to take over the world.

 

So it is still possible they could be evil, but the signs point to them having a good goal for their evil methods. Least, that is what it seems like to me.

 

Here is the interesting thing thought, the person who can decide fate is the MC, the interceptor. So at the end of the day it is likely that Team Xen will need the MC's help to accomplish their goal, since you know, you literally have the power to change fate...

 

Anyway, that is my guess about what their goal is. I imagine it is saving the world from some threat, no matter the cost.


Giving you a like for that. I like your ideas!

I'm not sure until now what to think. It's been a while too since I played the game so a lot could be forgotton since playing it. It is true, however, that Madame X has done good despite being the main (?) antagonist. I always felt like it was out of necessaity, tho? I thought I remembered her saying in the doomed timeline that she's only working with us to fix our mistakes. I mean, she's stuck there too so it's not like there's any other options for her.

But it sounds likely that destroying the world isn't on their agenda. But I just can't convince myself that they're completely good either. I mean Madame X literally tried to stab the PC. It feels like such a random action for her and this is way before she "appearently" learns about us being the Interceptor. So I am curious why she wanted the PC dead that time specifically...

But again, thanks for reminding me of some stuff. I'm very forgetful, haha

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1 hour ago, pizzagod13 said:

To me their motivation seem to be about adverting the catastrophe that is coming. 

These were my thoughts too, I'd imagine that if they were gonna be a stereotypically evil team (this is a reborn-esque game so no) they would have mentioned it much earlier in the story. It seems that Madame X, with all her shenanigans, is attempting to guide the MC to take a specific path and choices. If she weren't I'd see no reason for why she took the notebook in Kugearen City before the MC finished reading it (might have affected the timeline in an unfavorable way), and it likely belongs to her, as the place looks similar to a Team Xen base and she seems to be the only Xen member to actively time travel.

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5 hours ago, Sienna said:


Giving you a like for that. I like your ideas!

I'm not sure until now what to think. It's been a while too since I played the game so a lot could be forgotton since playing it. It is true, however, that Madame X has done good despite being the main (?) antagonist. I always felt like it was out of necessaity, tho? I thought I remembered her saying in the doomed timeline that she's only working with us to fix our mistakes. I mean, she's stuck there too so it's not like there's any other options for her.

But it sounds likely that destroying the world isn't on their agenda. But I just can't convince myself that they're completely good either. I mean Madame X literally tried to stab the PC. It feels like such a random action for her and this is way before she "appearently" learns about us being the Interceptor. So I am curious why she wanted the PC dead that time specifically...

But again, thanks for reminding me of some stuff. I'm very forgetful, haha

I think Madame X tried to kill the PC cause they were getting in her way. Simple as that. I am of the theory that they believe their actions are for the greater good and the PC is disrupting those actions. By killing the PC they would be adverting any damage the PC could do, I.E. Sacrificing one life to save many.

 

That is just a guess thought. Also, it would be pointless to stab the interceptor. They can get blown to nothingness and come back. Stabbing them would likely not be very effective... At this point in the story they have basically zero reason (to try) to kill the PC since she knows full well they are effectively immortal.

 

I feel like the story is gonna take a turn soon, with us learning more about what Team Xen really wants, more Team Xen team ups maybe?

3 hours ago, Dausk said:

These were my thoughts too, I'd imagine that if they were gonna be a stereotypically evil team (this is a reborn-esque game so no) they would have mentioned it much earlier in the story. It seems that Madame X, with all her shenanigans, is attempting to guide the MC to take a specific path and choices. If she weren't I'd see no reason for why she took the notebook in Kugearen City before the MC finished reading it (might have affected the timeline in an unfavorable way), and it likely belongs to her, as the place looks similar to a Team Xen base and she seems to be the only Xen member to actively time travel.

What was in the book in the one city again? The only thing I remember is that it is in the same house that the rift book is in. I think maybe the book had something to do with the name of the chosen one or something but I don't really remember...

 

Edit: Also, the idea of Madame X guiding the MC is interested, but it brings up more questions. Like when is the version of Madame X you see in the city then? If they took away the book to guide you, it would logically be after they became certain you were the interceptor. This would change the timeline of events quite a bit, since Madame X would have already gone through the ruined present before she took the book from you, One other method of guiding you could be the visions the one stranger gave you, its possible they did it on Madame X's orders. Well it is something interesting to think about I suppose.

 

Edit: Also it would not be the first character to do something like that. Crescent seems to be doing the same. But well, they are supposedly dead, so maybe they wont be doing that anymore... but they are a time traveler, so even if they are dead, I doubt that is the last we will see of her.

 

Also, It could be a Team Xen base, but having a book that details how to save rift Pokémon in there seems like a bad idea. Feels like they would destroy that...

 

Lastly, I would just like to wonder what the ending conditions are gonna be like? It is gonna be really annoying if a "good ending" requires a bunch of very specific choices. Although, I feel like I made no real bad choices the entire game, so maybe I will be fine... But still conditions like that are really obnoxious, especially considering how long this game is.

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14 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

What was in the book in the one city again? The only thing I remember is that it is in the same house that the rift book is in. I think maybe the book had something to do with the name of the chosen one or something but I don't really remember...

It read as follows: "Day X, Year X, Month X... No matter how many times I try... I find myself in this loop of failure. But I must not fail. If I fail this means the end of humanity as we know it. That wretched old fool has created the catalyst to end the world as we know it. I've seen it. I've seen the horror this world will be known to. I shall stop this at any cost. Even if it costs the lives of myself and my friends. The one who will save us all. I have seen them as well. Their name was-".

14 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

Also, the idea of Madame X guiding the MC is interested, but it brings up more questions. Like when is the version of Madame X you see in the city then? If they took away the book to guide you, it would logically be after they became certain you were the interceptor.

I was thinking that perhaps knowing the name written on the notebook either caused the interceptor to make certain choices, or their peers once they had been informed about it, that foiled Team Xen's plans. Something like this would incentivize Madame X to travel back in time to fix the anomaly. I don't know, perhaps Madame X and Crescent are trying to out-time travel each other? Like, why wouldn't Madame X just kidnap a younger Melia and use her instead?

14 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

Also, It could be a Team Xen base, but having a book that details how to save rift Pokémon in there seems like a bad idea. Feels like they would destroy that...

The rift pokemon book would have to come from the future, right? It was stated that only Zetta could create dimensional rifts (at least among Team Xen). The individual writing the book also seemed to have much experience with both Shadow and Rift pokemon, there are not many individuals who would have such ample experience with both of these and the complex procedures in the book. That said, the key to enter the building was besides where Indriad's gardevoir stood, so it could be Indriad's base as well.

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6 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

I feel like the story is gonna take a turn soon, with us learning more about what Team Xen really wants, more Team Xen team ups maybe?

I hope this is the case. Concidering that appearently V13 is gonna be a longer version, I hope that it might contain more answers. Mysteries are only intriguing for so long.  It is fun to speculate a lot tho, I must say.
 

 

6 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

Lastly, I would just like to wonder what the ending conditions are gonna be like? It is gonna be really annoying if a "good ending" requires a bunch of very specific choices. Although, I feel like I made no real bad choices the entire game, so maybe I will be fine... But still conditions like that are really obnoxious, especially considering how long this game is.


I am worried about this too. I've seen people speculate about certain choices being linked to certain endings. And I don't mind that too much at all. What I do mind is that people are talking about karma points and how it's linked to sidequests. I haven't really done any of the sidequests, to be honest. I'm worried something like that might affect the ending because it's never specified to be important in-game (at least not from what I remember) 

 

9 hours ago, Dausk said:

These were my thoughts too, I'd imagine that if they were gonna be a stereotypically evil team (this is a reborn-esque game so no) they would have mentioned it much earlier in the story. It seems that Madame X, with all her shenanigans, is attempting to guide the MC to take a specific path and choices. If she weren't I'd see no reason for why she took the notebook in Kugearen City before the MC finished reading it (might have affected the timeline in an unfavorable way), and it likely belongs to her, as the place looks similar to a Team Xen base and she seems to be the only Xen member to actively time travel.


This brings up an interesting idea. I've always believed that Crecents role within the story is to guide the PC away from the role of interceptor. Telling them to not be involved with Melia & co, telling them that they should be living a happy, normal life and manipulating Nim/Lorna to turn certain people in GDC to stone to (probably) stop the PC's progression.
So if that is true, then it makes more sense why Crecent was put out of commission by this redhaired girl. We've seen her and Kieran cooperating with Madame X. And if her motivation is to save the world from a future catastrophe, then they wouldn't want someone like Crecent ruining it. The interceptor needs to progress, needs to be involved so they can make their judgement and in return: save or doom the world.
So your idea of Madame X guiding the PC then makes sense. She wants them to fill the role of interceptor cuz they're the only one who can do something about whatever catasrophe awaits. And it could be that after Madame X learned that the PC is the interceptor, went through different times in the past/present/future to make sure we'd make the good choices: telling the redhaired girl to get rid of Crecent, stopping you from reading that book, etc.

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On 3/18/2021 at 11:43 PM, Dausk said:

It read as follows: "Day X, Year X, Month X... No matter how many times I try... I find myself in this loop of failure. But I must not fail. If I fail this means the end of humanity as we know it. That wretched old fool has created the catalyst to end the world as we know it. I've seen it. I've seen the horror this world will be known to. I shall stop this at any cost. Even if it costs the lives of myself and my friends. The one who will save us all. I have seen them as well. Their name was-".

I was thinking that perhaps knowing the name written on the notebook either caused the interceptor to make certain choices, or their peers once they had been informed about it, that foiled Team Xen's plans. Something like this would incentivize Madame X to travel back in time to fix the anomaly. I don't know, perhaps Madame X and Crescent are trying to out-time travel each other? Like, why wouldn't Madame X just kidnap a younger Melia and use her instead?

Okay that was about what I expected from the book. It is pretty clear it is written by someone who from the future that wants to stop the world from being destroyed. But here is the thing, the first calamity had not happened yet. Meaning the author could have been referring to that calamity and not the one that is coming in the present. I do feel they are talking about the second calamity thought, but they very well could be referring to the first.

 

As for the savior, well there is only two characters it could be. When I first read the book, I thought it was Melia, but that wouldn't make sense, as we now know she is only 1/4 of the light. Hence, the only real possibility in my mind is MC or Madame X. And if we assume that Madame X wrote it, then that would mean it would refer to the MC. Either way it makes sense why Madame X would not want them to see such a thing. Since if it says Madame X, then it would probably be her real name, not her Alias and if it says MC's name, then it would change the timeline, maybe for the worse.

On 3/19/2021 at 5:21 AM, Sienna said:


I am worried about this too. I've seen people speculate about certain choices being linked to certain endings. And I don't mind that too much at all. What I do mind is that people are talking about karma points and how it's linked to sidequests. I haven't really done any of the sidequests, to be honest. I'm worried something like that might affect the ending because it's never specified to be important in-game (at least not from what I remember) 

 

A lot of the sidequests are tons of fun. Would definitely suggest doing them. The help center ones are hit and miss but some of them are great. My favorite part of the game is in fact a sidequest, the Goomink one. So don't sleep on side quests they are great!

 

My main concern was more related to story decisions, like you need to make the right to decision every single time or you can't get the best ending. Something like that would be very annoying. If it is just, make mostly good choices and a few specific choices then that is more fine in my book. On the topic of sidequests effecting the ending, I would say maybe? Some of the good be important like the Goomink one, the one with the white haired rival lady and the Karen sidequests, but I can't really think of any others of the top of my head that seem that important, maybe the Lost Camp quest? Essentially, in these quests you meet people that could be your allies later and maybe you will need their help at some point, the Goomink quest also has one other detail that could become important to the story which is 

 

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the fact that the ghost lady you meet at the ends knows your the interceptor and it is mentioned that, I think it was the light stone is hidden beneath the castle. Which if you never played Black/White, the Light Stone summons Reshiram, which was hidden there so Madame X would not find it. It should be pretty clear that knowing this could be important later.

So yeah, side quests could be important but I feel like the important ones are pretty few and far between. 

 

Edit: I should say that I feel that some major decisions should impact the ending. But, they would need to make it clear just how important they are. Just giving the player a choice that seemingly doesn't matter much then being like, "LOL you picked to save the cop and not Maria? BAD ENDING" would be super annoying. But as the game stands I can't really think of much that would impact the ending too much, Magma Stone and Rift book maybe? Since you only have them on some paths and not others, but I am not really sure. 

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Also I would like to put out a theory about who Madame X is. What if Madame X is Crescent? Seems ridiculous, but have you ever seen the two of them in the same room before? Also, both of them are time travelers. 

 

Crescent could have seen where the future leads and became Madame X, joining her old enemies. The moment she joined them could also have been when the red haired lady beat her up/brainwashed her. It is a pretty common troupe for someone who becomes evil to say that their old self was killed, an example of this being Star Wars for example, when Obi-Wan says that Luke's Father was killed, when in actuality he just turned evil. Just food for thought I suppose.

 

Edit: This theory is kind of dumb. The main reason being that if Crescent knows you are the interceptor, then Madame X should have from the start also. So it makes little sense that Madame X tries to kill the MC if they already knew they were the interceptor, which if they were Crescent then they certainly should have... So yeah that theory is a bit flawed...

 

Edit: Here is something else to think on. The fact that it seems like Team Xen is trying to stop the world's destruction would imply that they are "the good guys". Crescent is fighting against them and seems to know much about them, in fact, they also seem to know the MC is the interceptor. The importance of this knowledge is that despite knowing this, she tries to turn the MC away from the path of the interceptor. Why would she do that if she wanted to save the world? Hence, if Crescent is knowingly fighting against them when they may be the "good guys" and knowingly trying to stop the interceptor from growing (stoning gym leaders would do that), then would that not make her the bad guy?...

 

We also know that there is a group that has been watching the MC for a long time (the group fake/maybe real Amanda is part of) which Crescent might also be a part of as she is also watching the MC. So is this group the real bad guys? Are they maybe in league with Irdread, as it seems they are the person that wants to destroy the world. Hopefully we will get some answers in the next version lol.

 

 

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On 3/20/2021 at 7:56 PM, pizzagod13 said:

Edit: Here is something else to think on. The fact that it seems like Team Xen is trying to stop the world's destruction would imply that they are "the good guys". Crescent is fighting against them and seems to know much about them, in fact, they also seem to know the MC is the interceptor. The importance of this knowledge is that despite knowing this, she tries to turn the MC away from the path of the interceptor. Why would she do that if she wanted to save the world? Hence, if Crescent is knowingly fighting against them when they may be the "good guys" and knowingly trying to stop the interceptor from growing (stoning gym leaders would do that), then would that not make her the bad guy?...

 

We also know that there is a group that has been watching the MC for a long time (the group fake/maybe real Amanda is part of) which Crescent might also be a part of as she is also watching the MC. So is this group the real bad guys? Are they maybe in league with Irdread, as it seems they are the person that wants to destroy the world. Hopefully we will get some answers in the next version lol.

 

I feel like it's not black or white. For instance, Bladestar and Team Xen are both evil in absolute terms, but they're opposed. I'm not sure if Jan's stated something on it, but there's no reason why Team Xen wouldn't wants something nefarious and the world not being destroyed (sorry for the too many negations). Say that they want to rule the world (cliché, I know!) -- that implies a world to live in. 

 

Crescent is obviously extremely shifty, but even if Team Xen fights to protect the world (among others), her opposing Team Xen may not make her a bad guy, any more than we are. Her attempts for us to not get involved might be justified thusly: the MC is a judge who can lean both ways. Melia would bring them TroubleTM, which would make the MC bitter, thus increasing the odds that they decide to destroy the world. Instead, the odds that this happened would be much slimmer if the MC "smiled". 

 

Even the group that has been watching the MC (good thought that Crescent might somehow be with them) apparently wants "control", which also implies that the world be not destroyed. 

 

Or perhaps they're actually the destroyers for some unexplained reason, since "Celine's plan" was about avoiding that "everything stop", according to Karen's diary. Since Robot!Amanda said they wanted to reverse it, the implications are worrying...

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Maybe the end result is that all these factions are aware of the timeline basically looping, reseting after each final bad outcome, or something similar, and are battling to ensure whatever future is ultimately reached is one of their design.

 

I think Flora's backstory may be very important. She knows more than she lets on. She knows details she shouldn't, like the Xenpurgis. She is trying to save Grand Dream City, and her goals are noble. She is just... broken. For reasons we don't know. I wonder if maybe she's going to have a more thorough explanation for why she is this way... maybe our final journey to the past will tie the last threads together...

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Imo I think the Amethyst grotto isn't going to be as important as we think to me it just feels like a resting ground for certain souls. Ones that didn't deserve what happened to them like keta losing his daughter and wife and brother almost simultaneously

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3 hours ago, sayar said:

where's the proof deagen died?

If Deagen was alive, he would have come with Kenneth to Aevium. He is most likely dead.

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dont forget

we didnt see his body 

only blood on the rocks

also there's a file in the hospital of hope

which mentions someone frm sevii islands

 

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42 minutes ago, sayar said:

dont forget

we didnt see his body 

only blood on the rocks

also there's a file in the hospital of hope

which mentions someone frm sevii islands

 

Certainly a possibility

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On 2/23/2021 at 12:04 PM, pixellink1 said:

Pretty sure the illness was genetic, isha just THOUGHT his brain replicated it

 

Granted I'm no expert, Isiah got the illness in his 40's and Isha got it at exactly the same age. 
Can a genetic illness remain dormant for over 40-years and be that age specific?

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3 hours ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

 

Granted I'm no expert, Isiah got the illness in his 40's and Isha got it at exactly the same age. 
Can a genetic illness remain dormant for over 40-years and be that age specific?

Good question.

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Does anyone else think Cresent might be an alternate version of Athena? I mean, we find a Gothorita in Indriad/Vetus's mansion, and the records in the HoH indicate that Athena had black hair at one point.

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2 hours ago, pixellink1 said:

Does anyone else think Cresent might be an alternate version of Athena? I mean, we find a Gothorita in Indriad/Vetus's mansion, and the records in the HoH indicate that Athena had black hair at one point.

Anathea died  when we went to the past for the with Melia and Venam. So most likely she is not Cresent. In addition to that, Anathea is trapped in the soul stone that we have, so most likely not.

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okay so this is gonna sound weird but does anyone think Erins team when she fights Melia seems random. like the girl has a Butterfree, Florges, Amoasnow, Zangoose, Swanna and a mega Absol. None of those pokemon synergise well with each other. Theres no theme......But what if there is?

 

Okay so I looked at her shiny Floges for example for now lets go with its based on a marigold. now youd think it be like life and stuff right cause its a fairy type? wrong marigolds symolism is greed, Jealosy and negative emotions.

 

Next her Swanna. Has anyone herad of a dark swan before?. or the ugly duckling. basically one is evil and jealous and goes their own way then the other is about evolution

Also her zangoose symbolies Rebellion, self opinionated and courage something erin all is.

 

 

Now her Butterfrees easy. Evolution.

 

and now we have her Mega absol. something to note is she and Zeta are the only ones to have mega absol . But. Her lore is more interesting in this one. because shes part of the insignia her team should be positive and hopeful (which is ironic cause Melias team literally screams hope) so why is her team like that?

 

(Also sorry about the spelling mistakes 😂 also i kinda made this topic awile back but i didnt spend much time talking about the rest of her team))

 

EDIT: Also her abomasnow could be how she sees herslef like shes a freak or she seems like she dosent exist?(this could tie in with the kids making fun of her)

 

 

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Rebellion and Jealousy are appropriate themes for Erin. 

 

She was trapped in the Unown dimension but rather than succumb to Allen and Alice's games with the Unown and she escaped, without the aid of the Puppet Master. Then changed her name (her original name is Eriana) and hair color. 

Later she refused to acquiesce to her non-consensual entry into the Grand Dream Tournament and made a public scene of disqualifying herself instead of just not showing up. 

All acts of rebellion. 

 

She is the one to suggest to Melia that Jenner's encouragement for her to become a gym leader was an act of genuine love since the notes for 'Project Rapture' never mentioned that as part of the plan. Then she goes onto explain that she's always beena lone, even Souta never paid her much attention. 

I believe she also at times seemed somewhat resentful of Aelita and the attention she was receiving from Souta as well as the responsibility that fell on her. 

This could be jealousy. 

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