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11 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

Geara is the son of the couple who lived next to Gregorian Lake, and then got stuck in the Voidal Chasm. After getting out of there, the father mentions having a son while in the chasm, and naming him after the lake. So that was definitely Gregory, or Geara as he's now known.

 

Ah. I didn't get the dialoged about his children because I advised him return to Sashilla. I only realized that dialogue existed when I watched someone else on Youtube tell him to continue into the Chasm.

I do vaguely remember something about a son named after the Gregorian Lake but I thought he was referencing his unborn child whom his wife was pregnant with when they went into the Chasm together. 

 

Are we sure Gregory is Geara?

 

11 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

I'm pretty sure Anju's son is Neved, but I'm not sure if that's been confirmed.

 

What evidence is there to support that?

 

9 hours ago, Feng Lei said:

I was sure it was Kreiss... and he just doesn't realize because she was taken by Indriad while he was an infant...

 

I love this thought. It would be quite brilliant if she unwittingly pulled something of an Oedipus on her son. 

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Hello Rejuvenators. I am making this thread for those who want to put down their own theories on what is going to happen in V13, characters, and etc.  I also made this thread just to have the act

Dunno if anybody is interested, but I feel like speculating a bit about the Player Character cuz they're one of the more interesting characters to me in this game So reading the various theories pe

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Just a bit ago, I completed V12 and first let me establish that Isha/Isiah just became my favorite Pokemon fangame villain matched only by Nyx in Insurgence. 

He reminded me of an antagonist in Criminal Minds who'd murdered his abusive religious extremist father and then was so consumed with guilt that he developed a split personality to pseudo-resurrect him (at least I'm pretty sure it was out of guilt but it's been a long time).

 

During his reveal story, I made a connection. 

Isha/Isiah had established that we ventured into their original home in Zone Zero. This has to be the house where our character, Ren and Aelita find Isiah's dairy with all the contents ripped out. Remember there was a damaged stasis pod in that house with a table opposite. Aelita had freaked and bailed when she saw that the pod had an occupant. 
If you interact with it you'll get the text: "There's someone inside this capsule but...". 

 

It was Isiah's body in that pod wasn't it (which would definitely be gross at this point so I don't blame Aelita)?

 

We clearly haven't seen the last of Isha/Isiah. It seemed stupid of him to announce a large scale threat in front of Officer Jenny but I have a feeling he did that on purpose as some form of distraction. 

 

I am looking very forward to more of him and to hopefully return to some other loose ends such as:
- Anju's transformation into Angie and Angie's current whereabouts and doings in the present.
- Valarie's amnesia
- Saki's whereabouts

- Adrest and our connection to him.

- Whether Crescent is trustworthy or not. I've been going back and forth with that. 

 

Actually, backtracking to Zone Zero again, something is bugging me a bit. 
When we first enter Zone Zero, if you go into the old jailhouse, there is a Puppet Master box inside the cell where Mayor Raphael and Gloria were locked up. After I believe you defeat Rift Gloria, the box will be gone. 
This is also the last place Rhodea is seen after understandably becoming very uncomfortable being back in her childhood hometown. 
Considering it's location, was the box for her and did she take it?

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5 hours ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

Just a bit ago, I completed V12 and first let me establish that Isha/Isiah just became my favorite Pokemon fangame villain matched only by Nyx in Insurgence. 

He reminded me of an antagonist in Criminal Minds who'd murdered his abusive religious extremist father and then was so consumed with guilt that he developed a split personality to pseudo-resurrect him (at least I'm pretty sure it was out of guilt but it's been a long time).

 

During his reveal story, I made a connection. 

Isha/Isiah had established that we ventured into their original home in Zone Zero. This has to be the house where our character, Ren and Aelita find Isiah's dairy with all the contents ripped out. Remember there was a damaged stasis pod in that house with a table opposite. Aelita had freaked and bailed when she saw that the pod had an occupant. 
If you interact with it you'll get the text: "There's someone inside this capsule but...". 

 

It was Isiah's body in that pod wasn't it (which would definitely be gross at this point so I don't blame Aelita)?

 

We clearly haven't seen the last of Isha/Isiah. It seemed stupid of him to announce a large scale threat in front of Officer Jenny but I have a feeling he did that on purpose as some form of distraction. 

 

I am looking very forward to more of him and to hopefully return to some other loose ends such as:
- Anju's transformation into Angie and Angie's current whereabouts and doings in the present.
- Valarie's amnesia
- Saki's whereabouts

- Adrest and our connection to him.

- Whether Crescent is trustworthy or not. I've been going back and forth with that. 

 

Actually, backtracking to Zone Zero again, something is bugging me a bit. 
When we first enter Zone Zero, if you go into the old jailhouse, there is a Puppet Master box inside the cell where Mayor Raphael and Gloria were locked up. After I believe you defeat Rift Gloria, the box will be gone. 
This is also the last place Rhodea is seen after understandably becoming very uncomfortable being back in her childhood hometown. 
Considering it's location, was the box for her and did she take it?

Yeah the box was pretty clearly for Rhodea. What was in it? Who knows!

 

Valaries Amnesia is clearly the work of the doctor, same with everyone else (like Adam). He was trying to do the same to Braxien. 

 

Nymeria seems to think the MC is Adrest, so maybe your a reincarnation or are literally the same person? You have some repressed memories of that house in the city for example...

 

Crescent is trustworthy if you only care about the MC. If you care about anyone else then she is clearly not trustworthy. She sent Nim (or w/e they are called now) to turn a bunch of people to stone, that is clearly not trustworthy. Also Crescent takes credit for saving you at Valor Mountain, but that is probably not the case considering what the Interceptor is. Honestly, I feel she is very suspicious, but I don't think she wants the MC to get hurt.

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10 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

Nymeria seems to think the MC is Adrest, so maybe your a reincarnation or are literally the same person? You have some repressed memories of that house in the city for example...

 

At the moment, I'm going with reincarnation. 
The PC experiences moments of seemingly being able to internally communicate with Adrest and recalling his memories. These are the some of the same patterns of behavior as Aelita with Vivian and Taelia. 

 

10 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

Crescent is trustworthy if you only care about the MC. If you care about anyone else then she is clearly not trustworthy. She sent Nim (or w/e they are called now) to turn a bunch of people to stone, that is clearly not trustworthy. Also Crescent takes credit for saving you at Valor Mountain, but that is probably not the case considering what the Interceptor is. Honestly, I feel she is very suspicious, but I don't think she wants the MC to get hurt.

 

That right there is a lot of the back and forth behavior that has me conflicted. 


On the one hand, she manipulated Ren and Nim/Lorna into harming people with lies (obviously Nim more than Ren but still) and tried to prevent Melia from joining S&T. 
 

Melia held our entrapment in the ruined present against S&T and regretted not listening to Crescent but I disagree with that and felt she had missed their intention. 
Madame X suggests that S&T must have ensured Melia and the PC's misplaced existence in the ruined present either to force us to reap what we sewed or expecting us to fix it. I 100% believe it was both and a means of showing Melia the consequences of choosing the one over the many.

This is foreshadowed when S&T presented her with the hypothetical scenario that Venom's survival from her stone stasis would mean mass casualties and her refusal to take the choice seriously. 

 

S&T might be neutral and uncompassionate beings who view people as disposable but clearly act in the best interest of the universe and humanity as a whole species with full understanding of what that means. Madame X seems to trust them as do I. 

 

At the same time, Crescent allegedly died trying to save Braxien and Co from Red head---or according to what I've noticed here in this thread it seems her name is Freya on route 7. She did also save Dranna, the Mewtwo that Madalis had turned Shadow. 

 

I concur with not giving her the credit for our "resurrection" on Mount Valor. Once Melia revealed the Interceptor's abilities I put the same pieces together that she did. 
The same can perhaps be said of when we escaped the explosion in the banquet room on the S.S Oceana and the S.S Oceana period. Our mom might have expected Crescent to get us out but that doesn't mean that she did. Even Madame X didn't know we were the Interceptor until we survived Yvetle in the ruined Present so perhaps our mom didn't either. 

 

I think Crescent might be a mercenary. The only thing she truly seems to care about is getting the outcome that she benefits most from and just favors us because of our role in achieving that outcome.

 

The true question, is what exactly that outcome is but I'm assuming that because we don't get the choice to heed her advice to ditch our friends, our character had made the choice for themselves not to trust her and whatever her plan is. Which I happen to be fine with. 

 

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2 hours ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

 

At the moment, I'm going with reincarnation. 
The PC experiences moments of seemingly being able to internally communicate with Adrest and recalling his memories. These are the some of the same patterns of behavior as Aelita with Vivian and Taelia. 

 

 

That right there is a lot of the back and forth behavior that has me conflicted. 


On the one hand, she manipulated Ren and Nim/Lorna into harming people with lies (obviously Nim more than Ren but still) and tried to prevent Melia from joining S&T. 
 

Melia held our entrapment in the ruined present against S&T and regretted not listening to Crescent but I disagree with that and felt she had missed their intention. 
Madame X suggests that S&T must have ensured Melia and the PC's misplaced existence in the ruined present either to force us to reap what we sewed or expecting us to fix it. I 100% believe it was both and a means of showing Melia the consequences of choosing the one over the many.

This is foreshadowed when S&T presented her with the hypothetical scenario that Venom's survival from her stone stasis would mean mass casualties and her refusal to take the choice seriously. 

 

S&T might be neutral and uncompassionate beings who view people as disposable but clearly act in the best interest of the universe and humanity as a whole species with full understanding of what that means. Madame X seems to trust them as do I. 

 

At the same time, Crescent allegedly died trying to save Braxien and Co from Red head---or according to what I've noticed here in this thread it seems her name is Freya on route 7. She did also save Dranna, the Mewtwo that Madalis had turned Shadow. 

 

I concur with not giving her the credit for our "resurrection" on Mount Valor. Once Melia revealed the Interceptor's abilities I put the same pieces together that she did. 
The same can perhaps be said of when we escaped the explosion in the banquet room on the S.S Oceana and the S.S Oceana period. Our mom might have expected Crescent to get us out but that doesn't mean that she did. Even Madame X didn't know we were the Interceptor until we survived Yvetle in the ruined Present so perhaps our mom didn't either. 

 

I think Crescent might be a mercenary. The only thing she truly seems to care about is getting the outcome that she benefits most from and just favors us because of our role in achieving that outcome.

 

The true question, is what exactly that outcome is but I'm assuming that because we don't get the choice to heed her advice to ditch our friends, our character had made the choice for themselves not to trust her and whatever her plan is. Which I happen to be fine with. 

 

I still think that Crescent wants to protect the MC. Claiming credit for saving the MC's life is a way to get them to trust her more. As for the stone thing, I see a way it could be considered beneficial to the MC in Crescents eyes. Essentially the MC needs badges to progress but Crescent wants them to stay out of it and tells the repeatedly to do so. By having gym leaders turned to stone, she could theoretically prevent the MC from progressing at all, and in her eyes that is what is best for the MC. 

 

Also, I don't think that Crescent only cares about the MC because it is convenient. Why? Well when Ren tells you why he joined team Xen you see him talking to Crescent who has framed pictures of the MC on her wall. Why would she have those if she did not care about the MC? If she was just using the MC she would not have them.

 

I think a more interesting thing to consider is how Amanda (or fake Amanda if they are unrelated) are involved in this. Could they be associated with Crescent? They both were observing them MC pretty much as soon as they came to the region. It seems likely that Amanda knew that the MC was the interceptor but how would they know that? Of course, if they are associated with Crescent then that begs the question of why abduct Melia?  

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Same reason if your reasoning about Crescent and Amanda robo being involved together

Crescent wants the MC to not get involved but as long as they're friends withMelia and she's around,  she's gonna pull the mc with her wherever she goes

Maybe Crescent told Robo-Amanda to abduct Melia? Who knows?

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on another note, in the legend of goomidra quest

why is goomink able to battle only aya and crawli for badges?

whereas Florin and Spector are there just chilling in their gyms for challengers

 

heck, Spector had been sent down from GDC just to replace Narcissa for the time being

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5 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

Also, I don't think that Crescent only cares about the MC because it is convenient. Why? Well when Ren tells you why he joined team Xen you see him talking to Crescent who has framed pictures of the MC on her wall. Why would she have those if she did not care about the MC? If she was just using the MC she would not have them.

 

In crime shows I've seen serial killers keep pictures of their intended or previous victims. 
You could be right, again, we don't know what Crescent's endgame is. I'm just saying pictures don't always indicate sentimentality. 

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I'd honestly compare the relationship between Crecent and PC with that of Homura and Madoka from PMMM

Homura is the all-knowing one who purposefully withholds information and prevents Madoka from taking action in any situation since Homura knows the truth and doesn't want Madoka to get hurt.
Madoka, on the other hand, is the clueless protagonist who has the power to change reality (and basically become God), but is only able to do so after gathering every possible information and make the choice to save the world.

It's very clear that Crecent does have some kind of relationship with PC whenever it's positive or negative, we don't know 100 % sure. But I do clearly remember when the scene on Valor Mountain happens, Crecent says something along the lines of: "I wish for you to be happy/smile". That is such a simple wish that makes me believe Crecent does have some good intentions towards the PC, but like Homura, doesn't relay the whole truth. 

So if we continue this idea of Crecent = Homura and PC = Madoka. Crecents role would be to prevent us from becoming the Interceptor, which is why she might've been taken out of comission since she just got in the way all the time. I mean...Kieran and the red-haired girl seems self-aware of the situation. Kieran says something like: "I used to know what my faith was", but what happened to change everything? The PC's arrival. So it only makes then sense for Crecent to be stopped by them if there's some kind of loop or time paradox going on. Which coincidentally can only be broken by the PC.


This is at least how I interpert it but it's kinda interesting to see the interpertation of Crecent only using the PC too for her own advantage since she is known to manipulate others for her own benefit. But who knows, Crecent is a hard nut to crack due to her two-faced actions.
 

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11 hours ago, sayar said:

on another note, in the legend of goomidra quest

why is goomink able to battle only aya and crawli for badges?

whereas Florin and Spector are there just chilling in their gyms for challengers

 

heck, Spector had been sent down from GDC just to replace Narcissa for the time being

Well Florin can be dead and Flora can be jailed/on trial/holding a Coup depending on the player choices. Also you can be crazy and do this during the Pyramid event, which in that case both Flora and Florin would be unavailable regardless of your choices. 

 

As for Specter? It is probably because the league is stinky or something idk. 

10 hours ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

 

In crime shows I've seen serial killers keep pictures of their intended or previous victims. 
You could be right, again, we don't know what Crescent's endgame is. I'm just saying pictures don't always indicate sentimentality. 

That is fair. I would like to state one thought I had was that maybe Crescent wants to resurrect the god from the story Nymeria tells. Now I know this sounds insane but here me out here. It split into three parts, we got Arceus, Melia/Erin/Allen/Allices light (everyone has this apparently) and some other third part. Now what if the third part is the Interceptor. A being that can defy fate and is effectively immortal seems powerful enough to be a fragment of a god if you ask me. 

 

In this case, Crescent would either A. Want the MC to inherit all the power for whatever reason. Or B. Want the MC to stay weak so that when the time comes to resurrect god the interceptor will be a weak and hence, easy pickings. 

 

Crescents actions of stopping Team Xen also align with this, since they want Melia's light for themselves, which conflicts with this goal. This theory is probably not true in the slightest but it is kind of fun to think about?

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6 hours ago, Sienna said:

I'd honestly compare the relationship between Crecent and PC with that of Homura and Madoka from PMMM

Homura is the all-knowing one who purposefully withholds information and prevents Madoka from taking action in any situation since Homura knows the truth and doesn't want Madoka to get hurt.
Madoka, on the other hand, is the clueless protagonist who has the power to change reality (and basically become God), but is only able to do so after gathering every possible information and make the choice to save the world.

It's very clear that Crecent does have some kind of relationship with PC whenever it's positive or negative, we don't know 100 % sure. But I do clearly remember when the scene on Valor Mountain happens, Crecent says something along the lines of: "I wish for you to be happy/smile". That is such a simple wish that makes me believe Crecent does have some good intentions towards the PC, but like Homura, doesn't relay the whole truth. 

So if we continue this idea of Crecent = Homura and PC = Madoka. Crecents role would be to prevent us from becoming the Interceptor, which is why she might've been taken out of comission since she just got in the way all the time. I mean...Kieran and the red-haired girl seems self-aware of the situation. Kieran says something like: "I used to know what my faith was", but what happened to change everything? The PC's arrival. So it only makes then sense for Crecent to be stopped by them if there's some kind of loop or time paradox going on. Which coincidentally can only be broken by the PC.


This is at least how I interpert it but it's kinda interesting to see the interpertation of Crecent only using the PC too for her own advantage since she is known to manipulate others for her own benefit. But who knows, Crecent is a hard nut to crack due to her two-faced actions.
 

I think one of the main issues that make Crescent hard to pin down is the fact that she is a time traveler. We have no idea in what order we are meeting her ever. What meetings is she still part of the stormschasers during and what meeting has she already left them in? The context of WHEN she comes from is hugely important to determining why she did certain actions. 

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2 minutes ago, pizzagod13 said:

I think one of the main issues that make Crescent hard to pin down is the fact that she is a time traveler. We have no idea in what order we are meeting her ever. What meetings is she still part of the stormschasers during and what meeting has she already left them in? The context of WHEN she comes from is hugely important to determining why she did certain actions. 

Yes, that's a thing too

That's why I love speculating on her character motivation because it's so mysterious. For all we know, we can all be wrong about her. I really hope for the next chapter we'll maybe get some better idea what really happened to her, cuz she's clearly not dead, just out of commission in the moment.....I...think?

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1 hour ago, Sienna said:

Yes, that's a thing too

That's why I love speculating on her character motivation because it's so mysterious. For all we know, we can all be wrong about her. I really hope for the next chapter we'll maybe get some better idea what really happened to her, cuz she's clearly not dead, just out of commission in the moment.....I...think?

Maybe? You can find her in the Nightmare world which would imply she is not dead, but who knows? Regardless, even if she is dead, the past version of her is still alive meaning we could still see more of her.

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8 minutes ago, pizzagod13 said:

Maybe? You can find her in the Nightmare world which would imply she is not dead, but who knows? Regardless, even if she is dead, the past version of her is still alive meaning we could still see more of her.

I really hope that's the case, because if I'm gonna be honest, I can't clearly understand what actually happened to her.

Red-haired girl claims she killed her, but if she's in the nightmare city, that can't be the case. Unless that's where dead people hang out too, or like you said, another version of Crescent. It's a rather bold statement to make to have killed someone, but then again, we dunno if this redhead or Kieran is aware of Nightmare city.
Crescent must be really important, at least. She wasn't taken to the doctor to be brainwashed like the others. Maybe she's in a void, where we see previous characters being trapped inside? Cuz then she's techincally neither alive nor dead.

I dunno, like you said, it's a hard thing to pin down for sure concidering her time-travelling schemes. Cuz we dunno if there's a limit to how many of yourself can run around across time. But we'll see eventually!

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9 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

That is fair. I would like to state one thought I had was that maybe Crescent wants to resurrect the god from the story Nymeria tells. Now I know this sounds insane but here me out here. It split into three parts, we got Arceus, Melia/Erin/Allen/Allices light (everyone has this apparently) and some other third part. Now what if the third part is the Interceptor. A being that can defy fate and is effectively immortal seems powerful enough to be a fragment of a god if you ask me. 

 

In this case, Crescent would either A. Want the MC to inherit all the power for whatever reason. Or B. Want the MC to stay weak so that when the time comes to resurrect god the interceptor will be a weak and hence, easy pickings. 

 

Crescents actions of stopping Team Xen also align with this, since they want Melia's light for themselves, which conflicts with this goal. This theory is probably not true in the slightest but it is kind of fun to think about?

 

That's not entirely crazy. 
The light prophecy states that 4 lights not born of man will save the world and create a paradise.

 

The event at the pyramid seemed to reveal that these lights are Melia (whom if you choose to 'do nothing' brings the ruined present back to life), Erin, Allen and Alice but it is possible that because all of them are siblings, they are collectively a single light or although all of them have the power of light Melia's is the strongest so it's just her and the PC and Aelita are two more. I'm unsure who the 4th would be. 

 

The exact circumstances of the PC's birth are unknown but we were raised by a doll and as previously discussed there is strong evidence to suggest that we are a reincarnation of Adrest and we've seen first hand how reincarnation occurs in this universe, it's not a birth but a manifestation.  

 

If the PC is a light and Crescent wants us to remain dormant or in a weakened state than that tracks with her wanting us to ditch our friends, that would be an attempt to separate us from the other lights. 

 

8 hours ago, Sienna said:

Red-haired girl claims she killed her, but if she's in the nightmare city, that can't be the case. Unless that's where dead people hang out too, or like you said, another version of Crescent.

 

FYI, Crescent can be found in Nightmare City from the very first visit.

I don't believe that she's dead and if she can still be found in NC after her alleged death that is just confirmation to me. It's possible that she could be in a coma but a coma is not dead...not legally at least.  

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Shit, on the subject of Melia I just came up with something else. 

Before I noticed that there is separate thread for theories, I posted the following in the spoilers thread:

 

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Maria/Marionette was sacrificed much, in the same ritual, Vivian sacrificed herself, and thus as it did with Vivian, it produced a reincarnation line with Melia as the current incarnation. 
Notice that in Melia's original team she had the pre-evolved forms of 3 of Marionette's Pokemon; Bunneary, Stuffel and remaining unevolved in the latter's party, Eevee. 

 

In the post-apocalyptic timeline, Melanie is pretty clearly a or perhaps the version of Melia who was never placed in Jenner's care so was raised with coldness and greed presumably by Indriad rather than with love, compassion, and individuality similar to how Kenneth never became Keta.
We've never met Indriad in our present timeline...or well at least a present version of him but what became of him hasn't been established and if he's dead in our timeline he doesn't have to be in this one, clearly a lot changed.

 

 

Remember in the hospital in Zone Zero there is a file on Anathea that doesn't seem to add up with the one we've met, described as dark haired and mother to 4 children. 

 

What if Erin, Alice and Allen are the other 3 children? For whatever reason Alice, Allen and apparently Erin (though she escaped) were trapped in the unknown dimension by their father who manipulated Alice into maintaining the others which is something that screams Indriad and as I theorized above, Melia is Maria reincarnated after Maria was sacrificed.  Indriad could have trapped the other 3 to get them out of the way for Maria's sacrifice. 

 

As for the dark hair, she bleached or something I guess?

 

It's not a perfect theory but I couldn't help noticing how well the 4 seem to fit with Anathea allegedly having 3 children that don't appear to exist outside this single medical file. 

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8 hours ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

FYI, Crescent can be found in Nightmare City from the very first visit.

I don't believe that she's dead and if she can still be found in NC after her alleged death that is just confirmation to me. It's possible that she could be in a coma but a coma is not dead...not legally at least.  

 

Ooooo, didn't know that. But it makes sense. 


Isn't it basically confirmed that Melia = Maria/Marionette/Melanie?
Like, of course it's not stated out-loud, but is that confirmation even needed at this point? We have all the hints to put together that they're all the same person/reincarnated. Same hair color, same gifted existense and they're usually all desired by horrible people for their light thingy.
Also one thing I realized: Melia has never met Maria/Marionette. Only Melanie. But the odd thing is....she made Melaine a part of herself, even tho they're from different timelines. So does that mean she'll have to do that to Maria/Marionette too...? Idk, Melia is such a confusing character to me, tbh.

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Yeah Melia makes no sense at all. Here's some food for thought we know nancy isn't human and she has no soul at all. so then how did she develop emotions for the mc when she wasn't supposed to be allowed to think for herself

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4 hours ago, Display name said:

Yeah Melia makes no sense at all. Here's some food for thought we know nancy isn't human and she has no soul at all. so then how did she develop emotions for the mc when she wasn't supposed to be allowed to think for herself

I believe it is stated that if a maid stays alive for long enough they start to be more humanlike, meaning rather then just vanishing upon death they leave a body, have blood and so on. Maybe this could also apply to emotions?

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I still suspect Maria is the four light siblings, including Melia, split into 4. But that may be overthinking it. We know that Melia could not be sacrificed successfully by Angie. That may in fact have relevance. Perhaps Maria could not be successfully sacrificed in the proper way either, and the split was done to somehow whittle down her power to sacrificable increments?

 

Also, Anathea does not react to Melia as she does whenever Maria is nearby (like in Hiyoshi's underground temple). This indicates that Maria and Melia are somehow different beings. Maria is also a genius while Melia can't do math well.

 

While replaying Chrysalis Mansion, the dialogue between Indriad and Maria struck me in new ways. Something about the entire scene is very strange to me. I noticed for one that Maria never mentions she is a gym leader and it's Venam who inserts this assumption. She also gives us special Garufan key thing and we assume it is the Normality Badge... though Venam doesn't inspect the badge afterward, so we assume there's nothing wrong with it. Though she was very badly shaken by the experience, and so we really shouldn't consider her in the state of mind to actually help in that way. Especially since she wasn't as mature as she becomes later in the game. She wouldn't bother to think, whereas GDC Venam carries herself with far greater awareness of her own doings and things around her.

 

But the dialogue... I am writing a long, chapter-by-chapter review of Rejuv, or trying to. I don't recall what I wrote, but the statements Maria make are interesting.

 

One interesting bit: she claims to have met the Interceptor before, and that she won't "forget you" again. Well, as of V12, we have never actually formed a relationship with Maria. Our interactions at Marble Mansion are almost exclusively with Anathea and Vitus, not Maria... she would have no reason to feel emotional attachment to us, or even remember us, from that small incident. But she seems to remember "everything". Which shocks Indriad.

 

More and more, I'm beginning to believe that maybe Chrysalis takes place in the future, not the past. Don't know why. A hunch. Something is very wrong about it. I don't know if maybe the plot just changed, and V13 will alter stuff to fit it, or I'm right and the mansion is important and was always one of those cases where we're given the key to the riddle, the most important puzzle piece, but it's obscured enough that it actually trips us all from figuring out truth, instead of giving us what we need to finish the puzzle early.

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I remember noticing some details about the Mansion in Chapter 3, mostly around the area where we face off against Maria.  The placed almost had the same layout as the Pyramid and it was behind the Chrysalis Mansion. 

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13 hours ago, Sienna said:

Isn't it basically confirmed that Melia = Maria/Marionette/Melanie?
Like, of course it's not stated out-loud, but is that confirmation even needed at this point? We have all the hints to put together that they're all the same person/reincarnated. Same hair color, same gifted existense and they're usually all desired by horrible people for their light thingy.

 

Point accepted.

 

5 hours ago, Feng Lei said:

I still suspect Maria is the four light siblings, including Melia, split into 4. But that may be overthinking it.

 

I don't believe that's overthinking at all but quite sensible. 
Together the 4 of them formed the Archetype symbol of Arceus and Arceus is one of four fragments that were split from a mighty deity. 

 

This further supports my theory that the 4 siblings are all one of the 4 lights in the prophecy with Melia representing and the PC and Aelita are 2 more with the 4th still unknown. 

 

On 2/20/2021 at 9:00 PM, sayar said:

on another note, in the legend of goomidra quest

why is goomink able to battle only aya and crawli for badges?

whereas Florin and Spector are there just chilling in their gyms for challengers

 

heck, Spector had been sent down from GDC just to replace Narcissa for the time being

 

Most of the gym leaders are unavailable and we've witnessed the reasons behind it.

 

- Adam is with us on our mission to the Pyramid or dealing with his returning memories.

- Aelita drove Texan out of Sheridan and is also with us on the Pyramid mission leaving Sheridan without a leader. Or else she's waiting her turn to bathe in the Spring of Rejuvenation. 
- Ryland is either unconscious in Flora's lab or guarding the top of the Pyramid. 
- Valarie had her memories so warped that she doesn't remember she's a gym leader. She thinks she's a reporter. 
- Saki is legitimately MIA as we haven't seen or heard from her since Valor Mountain and don't know what happened to her after the route 7 attack.
- Flora is either planting bombs under the ballroom, controlling Ryland or was arrested. 

- Florin is NOT chilling in his gym, Flora has him captive and incapacitated. 

Talon is stone and Souta isn't his official substitute, he exclusively stepped into the position for us. 
- The unnamed Dark-type gym leader, Amber's father left and apparently hasn't been replaced.
Lavender is in the hospital being prepared to be Isha's next vessel and as with Souta, the Puppet Master exclusively substituted for our benefit.  
- The Fairy-type gym leader as of V12 has neither been introduced or identified and all we know (from what Goomink gathered) is that they're MIA.

- Amber is in GDC and served as the MC for the tournament. After the bomb scare she might have opted to spend time with Tesla. 

 

As for Specter, Kreiss and the new Normal-type leader in Neverwinter, perhaps they prefer to wait for the rest of the gym leaders to return to their gyms. Granted, 5 badges isn't even half the full set in this game and it's not legit for a Pokemon without a trainer to participate in the league, both Aya and Crawli were just willing to humor Goomink out of respect for us. 
Erik is also leading the Garbodar restoration if you took the Weird Dairy and is probably worried about Saki as illustrated by his dedication to the Sakitron. 

 

On 2/21/2021 at 7:32 AM, pizzagod13 said:

Also you can be crazy and do this during the Pyramid event,

 

Welp, guess I'm crazier, I did it after completing the main story content of V12. 
I had no idea this quest existed during the Zone Zero/pyramid event. 😅

 

 

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This is just a question rather than a theory, but in the creation story involving Nymiera and Vitus. Is the meteor that spilt Arceus into 3 pieces, the same as the one under Reborn city?

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18 hours ago, Display name said:

I was thinking about isha and I realized that if his brain replicated the illness that his father had how did he manage to fail at erasing his son's consciousness

Pretty sure the illness was genetic, isha just THOUGHT his brain replicated it

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