People should really look at the Pokedex more closely

[BushyTheBushSpirit 15]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only player who actually looks through the Pokedex.  Anywho, I've found some more mistakes regarding forms in the dex:

 

• For all species with gender differences, instead of defaulting to showing whichever form you looked at last, the Pokedex always shows the same forms regardless of which one you looked at last:
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  While scrolling through the Pokedex, all Pokemon are shown with their male sprites:

  

   

  but then have their female sprites when viewing their entries:

  

   

  This even applies if you haven't seen both forms yet:

  

  

   

• For all other Pokemon with multiple forms (with the exception of Silvally), only half of it works:

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  When looking at its entry, it correctly shows the last form you viewed:

  

   

   

  However, when just scrolling through, it only shows the base form:

  

   

• Silvally:
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  For Silvally, both the scrolling screen and the entry screen only show Silvally's Type: Normal form, regardless of what form is selected:

  

  

  

   

• GIF compatibility?
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  I don't know if Reborn (or RMXP, even) is supposed to be compatible with GIFs in the first place, but I added a GIF sprite from X/Y to the Battlers folder anyway; I kept the original file just in case.  Both files have the same name, only the extensions are different (618.gif vs 618.png).

   

  While scrolling through the Pokedex, it displays the moving GIF version of the sprite:

  

   

  but in the entry and form screens it shown the PNG version:

  

  

   

  To be honest, I don't know which of the two would show up in a battle.  The only Stunfisk I've caught was shiny, and I didn't add any shiny sprites.  So since Stunfisk is only in one location that I never go to, and almost no NPCs use it, I have yet to see which sprite would be displayed.

   

  So again, I don't know which sprite is supposed to take priority, but I would think all of the Pokedex screens should show the same one.

   

• Canceling while changing forms:
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  If you press "a" (Z, C, Enter, etc.) in the Forms screen to change forms: 

  

   

  move the cursor over to a new form:

  

   

  and then hit "b" (X, Escape), it stays on the last form you were looking at, but the icon in the bottom-left reverts to the first form you were looking at:

  

   

  going back to the entry then leaves it on the last form you were on:

  

   

  but then going back to the Forms screen again puts it back on the first form you were on:

  

   

  THEN it's finally canceled, as confirmed by going back to the entry:

  

   

• This mistake with Aegislash was marked as [FIXED] when I reported it during the community release, but the same mistake is still there:
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  Aegislash's forms are still reversed:

  

  

   

  Also, they should be called "Shield Forme" and "Blade Forme," respectively

   

• Meowstic.  Just, Meowstic:
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  I honestly don't even know where to start with this one:

  

  

   

   

• Minior:
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  Minior's Meteor form is missing from the Pokedex, and instead its last core is erroneously named "Meteor":

  

   

• Zygarde entries and data:
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  10% Forme typo:

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  Should read "it's unable to" (missing apostrophe):

  

   

  Also, there are a few white pixels in the top-left of Zygarde 10%'s front sprite (it's not there in the shiny sprite or the back sprites).  This isn't a mistake in the Pokedex itself, but I noticed it while going through this

   

  Complete Forme typo:

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  Should say "Zygarde's form" (missing apostrophe):

  

   

  Also, its name is "Complete Forme," not "100%"

   

  Heights and weights:

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  Even though all three Zygarde forms are listed as having different heights and weights in the MultipleForms section of the script, the Pokedex still shows them all as having Zygarde 50% Forme's height and weight:

  

  

  

   

  I don't know whether or not the correct weights for each form are used in battle (for Low Kick, Grass Knot, Heavy Slam, etc.), but the same problem also exists for Lycanroc and Wishiwashi:

  

   

  I've only checked those three so far, but I think it's likely that this problem exists for every Pokemon whose forms differ in height and weight (including mega evolutions/primal reversions).  Maybe it's for the best that only one Gourgeist size is in the game.....

   

  (Side note:  Wishiwashi's School entry should probably say "their power exceeds," to keep the entry consistent.)  EDIT:  Ignore this last line; that's the canon entry.

   

   

• Hoopa typo:
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  Missing a period at the end:

  

   

• I'm not sure if this is a mistake or not, but Unown's forms seem a bit questionable to me:  EDIT:  Ignore this one.  As weird as I think these names are, they're apparently canon.
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  Was this initially done as a joke and meant to be taken out, or is this actually how you plan on naming Unown's forms?  Because "Make" was the first form it showed for me, and for a moment I thought somebody misspelled "male":

  

   

  If you guys are actually planning on naming Unown's forms with words like that, it would probably make more sense to use the NATO phonetic alphabet (Alfa, Bravo, Charlie....)

   

• Pokemon with only one form:
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  As of generation 7, the Pokedex doesn't show "male" and "female" if the two forms are identical:

  Unlike previous generations, a Pokémon's gender is only shown separately under the Forms section if there is a visible gender difference.  (from Bulbapedia)

   

  Likewise, it seems unnecessary to say "genderless" for genderless Pokemon.  Plus, there are several genderless Pokemon that have more than one form anyway (Unown, Metagross, Rotom, most legendaries, etc.).

 

• Mega evolutions:
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  Also as of generation 7, mega evolutions all have their own entries in the Pokedex.  I saw in the MultipleForms section of the script that Zygarde, Oricorio, Lycanroc, Wishiwashi, Silvally, and Minior, as well as all of the Alola variants, were given their own dex entries.  However, none of the mega evolutions (or primal reversions) have any alternate entries listed in MultipleForms for the Pokedex to display.  That said, I couldn't even add fake entries to them to check if those would have worked, because mega forms don't show up in the Pokedex at all, from what I can tell.  I haven't used that many mega evolutions, but the few I have (namely Mega Houndoom) do not show up, and forms are supposed to register based on seeing them anyway, not using them.

   

 

Wow, that took a really long time to type (and even longer to format).  I think that's it for now, though.  Until next time, this is your friendly neighborhood Bush Spirit, signing off and wondering what the hell he's doing with his life.

 

 

[BushyTheBushSpirit 15]

19 hours ago, GS BALL said:

Zygarde and Hoopa aren't supposed to be obtainable!? Maybe, just maybe, whatever trick was used to acquire those, did have a part in messing dex?

 

I remember trying PR mod menu for episode 16 some time ago and out of curiosity, spawned all pokemon inside boxes. Pokedex had errors in certain forms.

 

But the the error with the east/west sea slug water/ground thing, is old and still running. I caught the blue and the pink one shows.

Zygarde and Hoopa were generated in debug mode.  I've determined that using debug mode to change the species or form of a Pokemon you already have causes it to not register in the Pokedex, because I guess it only registers upon spawning/obtaining it, evolving it, or using a legitimate form-changing item on it, not just by changing some variables.  I don't think that should have any bearing on what information it displays in the Pokedex once they do register, though.  If I thought it was of my own doing, I wouldn't have included them here.

 

And just because something is old, doesn't mean it should be ignored.  That's how I see it, anyway.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Dreamblitz 1056]

Expected cliche post about how silly a lot of pokedex entries, found thorough bug report. bravo.

I think wishiwashi's entry is fine as "its" because it refers to the water gun, not the wishiwashi.

Unknowns thing would've been a dev joke, but might be one that slipped under Ame's nose, like the cactus and the skull in the desert in the community release. (I do want to know the full message created from all the forms though lol)

[Wolfox 2093]

What is the issue with Meowstick exactly?

[Dreamblitz 1056]

2 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

What is the issue with Meowstick exactly?

There's a genderless form option (that just shows the male form) as well as the 2 proper ones

[Wolfox 2093]

I think the reason it shows male is that that is generally seen as the base form by the community. either that it it's just an oversight

[Dreamblitz 1056]

16 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

I think the reason it shows male is that that is generally seen as the base form by the community. either that it it's just an oversight

The oversight/bug is that there shouldn't be a third entry at all, but I think the reason this nongendered third entry uses the male sprite is because of how male/female sprites are stored in the graphics folder. the male sprite is the base sprite, and the female one is a special 'f' sprite.

[BushyTheBushSpirit 15]

19 hours ago, DreamblitzX said:

I think wishiwashi's entry is fine as "its" because it refers to the water gun, not the wishiwashi.

Unknowns thing would've been a dev joke, but might be one that slipped under Ame's nose, like the cactus and the skull in the desert in the community release. (I do want to know the full message created from all the forms though lol)

Apparently I didn't do enough background checking before I made the post.  Wishiwashi's entry canonically says "its," and those really are Unown's canon form entries (according to Unown Mode in G/S/C and the Unown Report in HG/SS):  https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Unown_Report#Transcript

 

I've edited the post accordingly.  Thanks for calling me out.

 

18 hours ago, DreamblitzX said:

There's a genderless form option (that just shows the male form) as well as the 2 proper ones

17 hours ago, DreamblitzX said:

The oversight/bug is that there shouldn't be a third entry at all, but I think the reason this nongendered third entry uses the male sprite is because of how male/female sprites are stored in the graphics folder. the male sprite is the base sprite, and the female one is a special 'f' sprite.

^ Exactly what Blitz said, and also that the gendered forms are listed as "Meowstic Male" and "Meowstic Female" instead of just "Male" and "Female" @Wolfox

 

[Dreamblitz 1056]

Wow I totally didn't expect the Unown thing to be canon lol.

[BushyTheBushSpirit 15]

5 hours ago, DreamblitzX said:

Wow I totally didn't expect the Unown thing to be canon lol.

You and I both, Blitz.  You and I both.

 

I mean, in retrospect, I guess I can kind of understand why they didn't use the NATO phonetic alphabet I mentioned earlier, being as Japan isn't even in NATO.  But "XXXXX?"  Really, GameFreak?  THAT  was the best you could come up with?!  Come on, step it up!  You're better than that!   Even if history says otherwise.....