TheScarletSword 12 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Feel free to move this to another board if it's out of place. So most of us have played BW1/BW2. We've witnessed the story, the legends, the dragons based around the concept of 'truth' and 'ideals' - effectively yin and yang. We've witnessed the dragon that represents an absence of both. The real question is, when it boils down to these ways of thinking, what can you side more with? Truth, ideals, or neither? I personally side with ideals. It's strong ideals in this world that pave the way to new developments - an ideal world in the eyes of an individual can never happen, but each individual's ideals help shape their foundations and their way of living life, after all, as an individual. Link to post Share on other sites
Maelstrom 312 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Me, I'm a Truth kind of guy. Which adds a little extra oomph to those times when you take out those prophets in the Halo games. But yeah, truth and ideals aren't completely mutually exclusive, but they do clash at some really important junctures. But when truth is wrecking hopes and ideals, it is also providing the tools and opening paths to acheive other ideas. The truth is a powerful tool. It is up to each individual to decide what they do with it. The means to any number of ends. Link to post Share on other sites
Summer 0 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I'm more for Reshiram. But an ideal world is a world of your image. Is there really the truth, or is it only the opinion of one? Ideally, everything goes YOUR way, is that not what everyone wants? Link to post Share on other sites
Noivy 4 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I really dont like either. Everyone see's the world in their own way, Im no different. I dont like the Truth, and I dont like Ideals. People percieve things in their own way, and they interpret things to either. Link to post Share on other sites
Eternal Edge 12 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Why don't we take all 3 dragons And put them back together into the original 1 dragon! Link to post Share on other sites
Maelstrom 312 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Why don't we take all 3 dragons And put them back together into the original 1 dragon! It creates the "I don't even have a clue anymore" dragon. The forced combination of truth, ideals, and neutral/IDGAF results in cerebral degradion due to the incredible mental stress. Thus the user is retarded but gains 'retard strength' in the process. That dragon would pwn everything if it only knew wtf it was doing. Link to post Share on other sites
Administrators Amethyst 2467 Posted October 12, 2012 Administrators Share Posted October 12, 2012 Its ability makes it suffer confusion the moment it enters the field. More importantly, I like how this is simultaneously Pokemon and philosophy. whadafa. I picked ideals because I'm a little girl and why can't we all just stop fighting?! qqqq Link to post Share on other sites
Administrators Ikaru 107 Posted October 12, 2012 Administrators Share Posted October 12, 2012 I'd go for ideals if it weren't for...past experience with truth and all that. Link to post Share on other sites
Summer 0 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Are we actually seriously discussing Pokemon, that little kids game? Kbai Link to post Share on other sites
Administrators Amethyst 2467 Posted October 12, 2012 Administrators Share Posted October 12, 2012 I'd go for ideals if it weren't for...past experience with truth and all that. But truth can be subjective... Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Ideals. They may become good things. Truth is useless, what am I going to do with truth? Destroy someone? Link to post Share on other sites
Zen 0 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Watchmen. Link to post Share on other sites
Summer 0 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Why don't we take all 3 dragons And put them back together into the original 1 dragon! I play the spell card 'Polymerization'!!! Good game Reborn. Link to post Share on other sites
The Fush 13 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I seek neither truth or ideals. To be perfectly honest, as much as I'd love to pursue ideals, I know that the world isn't going to let me (yes this sounds pessimistic I know). For starters, what should ideals matter to you if nobody else agrees? As much as Zekrom is badass, he should figure out the ideals of others before enforcing his own. Not to mention, WE can't enforce our own ideals. Not to mention, your ideals, don't deny it, will change as you experience the world more and more (which by the way, is implying something for the journey you make in pokemon itself), which can depress you, alot. But this isn't a bad thing, as it gives you more of a sense of what this world is like (to quote Hark who quoted Emile), although it's impossible to fully understand it since your ideals will change the way you view it, as with all the other ideals, which is why everyone argues about ideals. Personally, I don't prefer to get into moral arguments, since all it'll do is leave you wondering if your ideals are the right ones (and I suck with big words). Devoting myself to these "ideals" will cause me to make me think only of myself, since, like it or not, others think differently. Why do you think world wars occured in the first place? Also, not many people notice this, but ideals and truth can mix together in certain situations. For example, say somebody kills somebody else, because the killed murdered someone precious to the killer. It's true that murder is a horrible thing to do, but it's also true that this person had a very good reason for this. This would cause a debate, since both sides take the truths and use them as THEIR ideals in this situation. I admire the term "thinking outside the box", because it lets you see things from a perspective that is different from normal. I don't like truth either, because all it does, as mentioned above, is clash with itself. We don't even know if some things are true or not, and it's no reason for me to pursue it either. Not to mention, the truth can make you only see things from one side, ignoring any other factors in the situation you're in. If I had ideals for a world like Zekrom does, they'd be a world without pointless fighting (because truth can make you fight over the smallest things). However, this clashes with itself, because people with ridiculous said IDEALS will clash. I can actually see where Zekrom is coming from, since he must hate a world where things like this happen. Pursuing either truths or ideals will only cause trouble, because you're not the only person in this world. I prefer to be someone who watches over this clash. The clash of truths, the clash of ideals, and the clash of truths against ideals. I prefer to be someone who tends not to give a single fuck and actually try and do something that I KNOW is productive. ... (Yeah Amethyst you're not the only one who can make humongous essays >>) Link to post Share on other sites
Trevore 76 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Neither one of them is good to me. Truth contradicts itself, and Ideals, well, everyone will hate you for that. Look at N, a young man who can 'talk' to Pokemon. *cough cough, N's a Zoroark, cough, cough* He thinks that Truth and Ideals can make a better world. Does it? No. To make a new world, you have to merge them together, with the shell. It's like using Absofusion to combine Reshiram and Zekrom with Kyurem. Merge Truth and Ideals together, and you get a brilliant mind which can help change the world. Merge Reshiram and Zekrom with Kyurem, and you get an awesome dragon that can destroy everything. Then again, it will probably go on a mental breakdown, because merging Truth and Ideals would cause someone to have a mental breakdown. Ask Ghetsis. He learned that the hard way. To me, it takes ambitions to create a perfect world, not Truth or Ideals. Those silly things cause stress. Link to post Share on other sites
Frosted Shiranui 0 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Neither can stand by itself, you need both. So I say Kyurem, neither. Link to post Share on other sites
Pokelord 0 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 What about both? Link to post Share on other sites
Maelstrom 312 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 What about both? Because conflicting. Link to post Share on other sites
Bearadactyl Prime 31 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I would much rather pursue Knowledge in a whole opposed to simply Truths or Ideals.The role of the entire spectrum if you will, as Truth and Ideals are nothing more than pieces of the same puzzle.Or, that's at least my opinion on the subject.What do I know?I'm a Nutcase. Link to post Share on other sites
Maelstrom 312 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I would much rather pursue Knowledge in a whole opposed to simply Truths or Ideals. The role of the entire spectrum if you will, as Truth and Ideals are nothing more than pieces of the same puzzle. Or, that's at least my opinion on the subject. What do I know? I'm a Nutcase. Indeed, Nutters. Knowledge separate from ideals is too easy. But where do you separate knowledge from truth? Hmm, perhaps truth is clarity of vision and your mission of knowledge is to expand the boundaries of that vision... Link to post Share on other sites
Jory 9 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Honestly, it's all about what's appropriate for the moment. If, for example, everyone is about to die of a meteor crashing into Earth, it's reasonable for people to turn to things like religion and cry out that they've partaken in a system of beliefs for the purpose of self-betterment. However, if said meteor is small enough to nuke, we should probably do that instead of praying. Link to post Share on other sites
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