Pokemon Empire: Official Game Thread

[Nyarth 19]

16 minutes ago, ssbCasper said:

@Star Arcana Right now I'm leaning towards some characters with a potential relationship variables being able to "romance" with both genders and others will not. Alanah being one of the characters that would be available for both. Haven't put much thought into the feature as a whole yet though. 

Finally, my dreams of the player character just gathering a harem of love interests are coming true...

 

9 minutes ago, Star Arcana said:

Have you acquired the Build a Bear Meowth? It looks freaking awesome!

 

I could even see having "special" recolours for some of these Pokémon, like a pink Butterfree. It could have boosted stats and different moves to compliment the recolour's theme or such. This doesn't have to involve changing its type or anything though, it would simply serve as a way to freshen older Pokémon and give them a bit more of a edge/niche. 

That exists? My local Build a Bear is going to get completely ravaged.

 

I really like your recolor idea, and it might help the issue of people not liking changed stats and movepools that @ssbCasper pointed out, since they could choose whether to use these revamped Pokémon or not.

[ssbCasper 33]

@Star Arcana since the recolored super Pokemon is your idea do you know how I could implement it? I'd need to give a reason for why these specific Pokemon have undergone a change and others haven't. 

[Star Arcana 1]

18 minutes ago, ssbCasper said:

@Star Arcana since the recolored super Pokemon is your idea do you know how I could implement it? I'd need to give a reason for why these specific Pokemon have undergone a change and others haven't. 

There could be a number of reasons: experimentation, diet (like those pink berries in the Orange Islands), genetic mutations, blessings from a legendary, ect

[ssbCasper 33]

Alright thanks! I penned down mutations for the time being but that is subject to change. 

[Noctelis 12]

4 minutes ago, Star Arcana said:

There could be a number of reasons: experimentation, diet (like those pink berries in the Orange Islands), genetic mutations, blessings from a legendary, ect

Another reason could just be that the species could have different colours, just like with birds, dogs and cats in reality.

[Nyarth 19]

This is going to be an interesting clash with actual Pokémon shinies. Do these guys have shiny forms even though they're sort of like shinies themselves? Or are they shinies now, but shinies are considered an entirely new species?

[Noctelis 12]

1 minute ago, Nyarth said:

This is going to be an interesting clash with actual Pokémon shinies. Do these guys have shiny forms even though they're sort of like shinies themselves? Or are they shinies now, but shinies are considered an entirely new species?

Perhaps they're a bit like Minior in Rejuvenation, different colours as normal and 1 special colour as shiny.

[Nyarth 19]

10 minutes ago, Noctelis said:

Perhaps they're a bit like Minior in Rejuvenation, different colours as normal and 1 special colour as shiny.

I've been crawling around the past shiny threads to find the Minior since I got curious, but either I'm really incompetent or it's vanished off the Internet.

 

Anyways, that's a pretty good way to look at it. Different forms rather than entirely new species.

[ssbCasper 33]

The way Insurgence has that delta sign on the Health bar for delta Pokemon I'll just put a sign on the bar for these "mutated" Pokemon, I really need to think of something that goes with the style of my game to explain the mutations. But that can wait til later, more important things to focus on for now.

[Noctelis 12]

8 minutes ago, ssbCasper said:

The way Insurgence has that delta sign on the Health bar for delta Pokemon I'll just put a sign on the bar for these "mutated" Pokemon, I really need to think of something that goes with the style of my game to explain the mutations. But that can wait til later, more important things to focus on for now.

How about same species but just different  colors, such as Vivilion or Minior.

[ssbCasper 33]

@Noctelis Wouldn't explain the stat and move differences 

 

[Noctelis 12]

Just now, ssbCasper said:

@Noctelis Wouldn't explain the stat and move differences 

 

Blame it on local climate, easiest way to explain.

Worked for Alola region.

[Filthy Casual 176]

Just now, Noctelis said:

Blame it on local climate, easiest way to explain.

Worked for Alola region.

But that’s Alolan forms, which changed their types, as well. That’s not enough to justify stat boosts without changing typings.

 

Honestly, it seems unnecessary to give them stat buffs if you’re also giving certain Pokémon Mega Evolutions. Why not just give them megas? For example, I elect Primeape to receive a mega.

[groniack 56]

16 minutes ago, ssbCasper said:

The way Insurgence has that delta sign on the Health bar for delta Pokemon I'll just put a sign on the bar for these "mutated" Pokemon, I really need to think of something that goes with the style of my game to explain the mutations. But that can wait til later, more important things to focus on for now.

Some ideas for these mutated pokemon can be:

1) Scientists experimented on certain pokemon so as to make them stronger and help them through the war. But I guess this sounds a lot like insurgence...

2) The war affected the local pokemon too much since their habitats were destroyed and their life was threatened every day. So some weaker pokemon went through a natural evolution so as to survive.

[Noctelis 12]

4 minutes ago, Filthy Casual said:

But that’s Alolan forms, which changed their types, as well. That’s not enough to justify stat boosts without changing typings.

 

Honestly, it seems unnecessary to give them stat buffs if you’re also giving certain Pokémon Mega Evolutions. Why not just give them megas? For example, I elect Primeape to receive a mega.

Locations are also enough to explain color difference with Gastrodon and ability difference with Basculin.

 

1 minute ago, groniack said:

Some ideas for these mutated pokemon can be:

1) Scientists experimented on certain pokemon so as to make them stronger and help them through the war. But I guess this sounds a lot like insurgence...

2) The war affected the local pokemon too much since their habitats were destroyed and their life was threatened every day. So some weaker pokemon went through a natural evolution so as to survive.

The war part is actually a great idea imho, the war plays a massive part in the story so it should also be enough to explain pokemon changes.

[ssbCasper 33]

Using the war is certainly the best idea so far. Natural selection does have to take its course after all.  I'm sure some of you will enjoy being able to use Fearow instead of the flying types you use in almost every play through. With that being said a lot of these things are minor and not really were my focus is right now, regardless I love that people are sharing ideas and talking here I think that's awesome. 

[seki108 1226]

Just chiming in:  The first two rivals presented do seem to form a good contrast, especially with the second's initial prejudice against both you and your first rival.  I can't really comment on the third, since there's not much there (which is the point)

 

While I like the idea of having romance options (and hopefully have a way to resolve any OTTs my shipper brain forms), I would rather they not be part of the main story.  You seem like you would agree with this sentiment, but I just wanted to voice my thoughts.

 

I'm ok with either buffed stats or adding a mega as long as the pokemon needs/could greatly benefit.  While I wouldn't complain about giving the other psuedos a mega form, I don't think that it should be the priority.

 

I also like the idea of alternate forms, though I would make sure that they don't line up closely to any Delta pokemon (either from the official TCG or Insurgence).

[ssbCasper 33]

@seki108 Yea the rivals were purposely made to have a sharp contrast, still not sure if thats the best way to go about the rivals. I think a lot of people are going to be blown away with the 3rd assuming my skills as a novelist translate well. Relationships won't be a distraction or even something the player has to think about if they don't want too.(A bulk of the content in the game will be 100% optional). On my list of things to get done both custom megas and adjusting normal mons are wayyyy down there. As cool as alternate forms are if I can't find a way to adopt them as my own and make it something unique its not worth adding. 

[Star Arcana 1]

5 hours ago, groniack said:

Some ideas for these mutated pokemon can be:

1) Scientists experimented on certain pokemon so as to make them stronger and help them through the war. But I guess this sounds a lot like insurgence...

2) The war affected the local pokemon too much since their habitats were destroyed and their life was threatened every day. So some weaker pokemon went through a natural evolution so as to survive.

 

Oh, the war idea is really good; a great way to tie these Pokémon with the story. I can also add that maybe some of the chemicals used in the war caused some of these changes as well. I don't know how realistic that is, but then again, this is a series with electric squirrels and dragon cloud birds. We also don't know exactly how Pokémon biology works, so I guess it could be possible. 

[ssbCasper 33]

Alright so this is going to be a quick update since all I've been doing as of late is recoloring all these shiny sprites and brainstorming. Was originally going to talk about the Yoake mercenaries that happened to pop up in both the gym leader and rival concept threads but I'm going to hold off on that. Instead we are going to talk about my concept for the grand council since they are kind of a big deal. 

 

Assuming you've kept up with the basis for the plot you'll know that after the war the people voted in 4 members for a governing council that will oversee the reconstruction of the region and create a new Pokemon league to lead their cities and districts. (Gym leaders range from engineers to teachers to entertainers).  But who were these elected officials and why were they voted in? 

 

Zain: Voted in almost unanimously, the former league champion and leader of the revolutionary force, brought the people of the region together. 

Felicia: The eldest daughter of Professor Aspen and the older sister to your friend and rival Alanah, she heads the project to transition the region from using fossil fuels to nuclear power. (Looks like intelligence runs in the family) 

Archer: The well respected senior member of the council, father of your Rival North. Former adviser to the king. Was the first to stand against the king after witnessing firsthand how vile he became during the end of his reign.  

Janice: Perhaps the most odd choice to be a part of this council. Her parents were taken from her at a young age, after spending most of her childhood on the streets she had a fateful encounter with a young man who offered her what she longed for, a family in the form of the Yoake mercenaries. She is most known for being the second in command of the "group that saved Telius" and their spokesperson. 

 

Sorry that one description is substantially longer than the others, I felt like I needed to explain why Janice got the gig more than the others but their back stories are all equally developed for the most part. Just don't want to give to much away so early into development.

 

Note: Remember the point of these concept post is for me to receive feedback to tweak or completely change characters and for you all to discuss and share ideas with each other. (Which you guys have done an awesome job at!). 

[Noctelis 12]

@ssbCasper Archer might just be a little bit of a problem, as former adviser to the king, the people would be rather skeptical of him as he might have actually steered the former king in such a way that he became tyrannical.

As for the rest of the council, I can see why they're in it.

Zain as a symbol of power and respect as former champion.

Felicia as a great mind and revolutionary.

Janice because of the important role she played in the war against the king (as well as easier to actually choose for the council than the actual leader, as the leader has to keep the band together).

 

Edit: a way to make Archer less of a target of skepticism is by having him be a former exile as well after he took a stand against the king and coming back to tell the people the truth which they found out themselves not long after(or something similar if you want to keep him as former adviser of the king).

[ssbCasper 33]

@Noctelis The rest of his backstory is similar to what you suggested. He spoke out during a public execution and was himself sentence to life in prison. The execution became the final straw that led to a revolution. He was eventually freed when the Yoake mercenaries arrived to the scene a year into the war. At that point the guy was pretty much a martyr. If that isn't compelling enough of a case I can just re-do the entire backstory. 

[Commander 875]

I guess as I'm an outsider right now I can give a bit of feedback about how you're running things. So I'm kind of getting a mixed response here as on one hand, you seem like you have a lot of this planned out, but on the other hand, it feels like you're unorganized and are winging it. This has a lot to do with your First Post. Let's say I'm a new fan wanting to learn about your game and I'm excited to see what you wrote. I see half a paragraph followed by...a whole bunch of links. I click one in which I get a very small paragraph of info, then click out and go to the next one and then I'm done dealing with this as I just wanted to learn a bit about the game to see if I'm interested. And I really don't know what your game is about other than something about an evil chess team and something about reputation and possibly waifus. And the ice gym leader who skates err...did skate before her husband was killed or something.

 

If you were to ask me to review or give feedback on this, I would outright reject saying "sorry, I can't help you." First off, it's just pure laziness to link a whole bunch of small threads and call it and introduction to your game. If I sent in a cover letter saying "Oh here's a couple pages in my book you should read to publish it" it'd be thrown into the trash instantly and the publisher wouldn't even look at it. That front page needs to have everything I need to know to get a basic understanding of your game to be able to judge it. If that's too much to do for you, please just do yourself a favor and cease this project. You will be editing, changing, and rewriting many ideas and elements in your storyline. I've had to completely rewrite 20 pages I spent a whole week working on. Does it suck? Yes, but you have to do it. I really honestly don't want hear any excuses why you thought links to your other stuff would be a great overview of the game. You didn't even have the decency to even give a brief in the first post either to help me choose which links to click on.

 

I mean at minimal effort: I could just copy the OP in those sections and just paste them into this one adding a title in I'd say 10 minutes if I'm really, really, really slow. And if you are trying to archive the old conversations and discussions, there's no point due to it being old and outdated information. Nobody wants to read information that's no longer true. Hell, I can't even remember anything I even said in the Old Hardcore thread. It doesn't matter as it's no longer relevant.

[ssbCasper 33]

@Commander Thanks for the stopping by and giving your take. I agree with everything you said, but after going back to the front page I didn't say anything on there to sell this thread as an introduction to the game. This entire thread is about me "thinking aloud" and other people chiming in. With that being said their should be a plot and feature overview on the front for people to decide if they're interested and I should paste all the topics in here which wasn't out of laziness, I didn't think to do it and it wasn't suggested.

[Noctelis 12]

9 hours ago, ssbCasper said:

@Noctelis The rest of his backstory is similar to what you suggested. He spoke out during a public execution and was himself sentence to life in prison. The execution became the final straw that led to a revolution. He was eventually freed when the Yoake mercenaries arrived to the scene a year into the war. At that point the guy was pretty much a martyr. If that isn't compelling enough of a case I can just re-do the entire backstory. 

You've convinced me.