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[E18 Spoilers]Relationship Variable Guide [DISCONTINUED]


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During E16's beta testing period, I went through in RPG Maker and noted down all of the relationship points.    A few things of note:   1. The game will not tell you when something

These are the relationship points organized by character. E18 spoilers for: Cain, Victoria, Florinia, Noel, Samson, Charlotte, Ciel, Adrienn, Titania, Hardy, Bennett, Eve, Lumi. Points with asterisks

I'm just gonna leave the ones that I found in a quick search, I may have missed some and I'm not going to check if there are new ones in past episodes since I don't have that much free time. Spoilers

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11 hours ago, trailflare7 said:

Relationship points were added in e16 iirc so your save is probably old and didn't get the old relationships since you've already finished the events and gotten no relationship points. If you play a fresh save from the beginning you will be able to get all the points no problem.

Oh all right then, new game time it is.

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7 hours ago, Le Frey said:
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someone know what is this Victoria's sidequest in EP18?
i don't understand at all how to trigger it (i hope it's not by completing Sandy's sidequest...)

 

You just have to talk to her in the basement from what I understand as part of the renovation sidequest

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Are you sure you get a penalty for losing to Aya? Looking at the event it seems to me that you actually get a point with Fern and Hardy if you beat her on your first try, and that's it.

I'm not very handy in RPG maker though so i might be wrong.

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A little change to be done: When Cal asks whether we believe him or not, that event is correctly graded but has to be shifted to Kiki to Aya rather than Aya to Serra. Actually this event can be done the time if we try to move towards Obsidia ward after the Apophyll event instead of going towards Byxbision Wasteland.

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On 12/4/2016 at 12:20 PM, Ice Cream Sand Witch said:

Defeat the giant Steelix + Depths PC is active: +2 Saphira, +1 Laura
Defeat the giant Steelix + Depths PC is not active: +3 Saphira

This should be corrected too, you get +2 Saphira if depths PC is active and +3 Saphira, +1 Laura if depths PC is not active.

 

EDIT: One more thing: to get the point with Radomus for solving the chess puzzle it has to be solved correctly by the first time he checks the solution. It might also be worth adding to the start of the post that you only lose points once when being defeated by a gym leader.

EDIT 2: Ok last thing: when you defeat Bennett before battling Luna you lose two points with him instead of one.

EDIT 3: I lied, some stuff regarding Shelly: if you refuse to take the kricketot with you, you still get the point with Shelly and in the underground railnet, when she asks you if she has been useful, you get one point for saying yes and you lose one point for saying no.

EDIT 4: Ok i don't get it, in the code shouldn't x -= -1 be the same as x += 1? Because if that's so a lot of relationship points don't make any sense, like gaining points with a bunch of characters when exiting the orphanage while being paired with Shelly, can anyone explain me where I am wrong?

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On 12/4/2016 at 4:50 PM, Ice Cream Sand Witch said:

Talk to Hardy in Calcenon where he says being on the same side of the barrier as Fern would be torture: +1 Hardy

This event is currently in Samson to Charlotte, but, it should actually be in Charlotte to Terra. Just a small heads-up.

Also, can anyone check up the events in the 8-bit game world where we fought Terra? I think there must be another point, coz I ended up with 8 before defeating her, even tho saphira wasn't the one abducted.

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3 minutes ago, Lorisaur said:

What is the usefulness of relationship points in ep18?

Not in ep18, but the points will be useful in E19 post-game scenarios, or so I've heard.

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Just now, BRS swag said:

Not in ep18, but the points will be useful in E19 post-game scenarios, or so I've heard.

Something like "if Amaria loves you, you can catch a Manaphy but if instead you have high relationship points with Titania you get a Meltan"?

Ok, maybe not a Meltan. But it was fun

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1 minute ago, Lorisaur said:

Something like "if Amaria loves you, you can catch a Manaphy but if instead you have high relationship points with Titania you get a Meltan"?

Ok, maybe not a Meltan. But it was fun

I would like a Meltan. But, still these events might not be pokemon-based events as by E19 all pokemons will be available and events won't be limited like a starter scenario where choosing one doesn't allow you to get the rest. It might affect interaction with characters after game in stuff like any character-exclusive stories or romance interest options for the MC, although romance is not guaranteed to exist, as the MC is a largely mute character who selectively speaks in times of opinions or choices, like to say Yes/No.

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1 minute ago, BRS swag said:

I would like a Meltan. But, still these events might not be pokemon-based events as by E19 all pokemons will be available and events won't be limited like a starter scenario where choosing one doesn't allow you to get the rest. It might affect interaction with characters after game in stuff like any character-exclusive stories or romance interest options for the MC, although romance is not guaranteed to exist, as the MC is a largely mute character who selectively speaks in times of opinions or choices, like to say Yes/No.

Oh, even better. Being with Titania would be nice

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2 hours ago, Lorisaur said:

Oh, even better. Being with Titania would be nice

Well, if we have to guess, it didn't go so well for Amaria...

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Additionally, some relationship points already have some effects. Your number of points with a character determines whether you lose or gain points for your answer to a question in a few cases (like when Titania asks if you trust her, or when Charlotte asks if you believed her when she said she set Saphira on fire). And there's a few dialogue changes if your relationship points with a character are high or low enough. Victoria has a few extra lines of dialogue when meeting her in front of Kiki's grave if you have a high enough relationship variable with her (2 IIRC), and if you have negative relationship points with Cal, then after the scene with him in Obsidia where he says maybe you'll see each other around, he ends with "But maybe it's better if we don't." 

 

Ame said not to expect too much from relationship variables because they were added late into development (E16), and that not having a high enough number with some characters won't lock you out of anything, you'll just have to work harder. The word relationship in this context isn't referring to a romantic relationship but how well you get along with someone. 

 

@ BRS Swag about the Cal scene, the reason I put it as between Kiki and Aya instead of Aya and Serra is because I was going by the earliest point you could do it, but I should've put it under both because some people will see it earlier than others depending on whether they go straight to the wasteland or not.

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14 hours ago, Ice Cream Sand Witch said:

@ BRS Swag about the Cal scene, the reason I put it as between Kiki and Aya instead of Aya and Serra is because I was going by the earliest point you could do it, but I should've put it under both because some people will see it earlier than others depending on whether they go straight to the wasteland or not.

That's definitely better. Thanks.

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On 10/22/2018 at 10:34 PM, marnew said:

This should be corrected too, you get +2 Saphira if depths PC is active and +3 Saphira, +1 Laura if depths PC is not active.

 

EDIT: One more thing: to get the point with Radomus for solving the chess puzzle it has to be solved correctly by the first time he checks the solution. It might also be worth adding to the start of the post that you only lose points once when being defeated by a gym leader.

EDIT 2: Ok last thing: when you defeat Bennett before battling Luna you lose two points with him instead of one.

EDIT 3: I lied, some stuff regarding Shelly: if you refuse to take the kricketot with you, you still get the point with Shelly and in the underground railnet, when she asks you if she has been useful, you get one point for saying yes and you lose one point for saying no.

EDIT 4: Ok i don't get it, in the code shouldn't x -= -1 be the same as x += 1? Because if that's so a lot of relationship points don't make any sense, like gaining points with a bunch of characters when exiting the orphanage while being paired with Shelly, can anyone explain me where I am wrong?

Just wanted to reiterate this because I'm not totally sure what's up either, but I think that at least for some of the events where you're intended to lose relationship points (leaving the orphanage, leaving Yureyu), you actually end up GAINING the points. I haven't looked at the code myself, all I've done is just compare the relationship points after doing certain events. I'm also not sure if this is just isolated to the events where you leave an area after being partnered with somebody or if it's the negative RP events in general.

 

Also, I think beating Aya on the first try grants you +1 Fern, +1 Hardy as well (which this poster also mentioned), not entirely sure about the losing penalty.

 

Edit: It's definitely not all negative RP events that are bugged, I still got -1 Cain for choosing not to battle Sigmund at Yureyu and -1 Bennett for beating him first try. Makes me think it's only the leaving a partnered area events that are bugged? Also, for some reason I don't get the RP from talking to Shelly at the orphanage unless I talk to her right away, still have no idea what's going on there.

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On 12/1/2018 at 1:29 AM, distant said:

Just wanted to reiterate this because I'm not totally sure what's up either, but I think that at least for some of the events where you're intended to lose relationship points (leaving the orphanage, leaving Yureyu), you actually end up GAINING the points. I haven't looked at the code myself, all I've done is just compare the relationship points after doing certain events. I'm also not sure if this is just isolated to the events where you leave an area after being partnered with somebody or if it's the negative RP events in general.

 

Also, I think beating Aya on the first try grants you +1 Fern, +1 Hardy as well (which this poster also mentioned), not entirely sure about the losing penalty.

 

Edit: It's definitely not all negative RP events that are bugged, I still got -1 Cain for choosing not to battle Sigmund at Yureyu and -1 Bennett for beating him first try. Makes me think it's only the leaving a partnered area events that are bugged? Also, for some reason I don't get the RP from talking to Shelly at the orphanage unless I talk to her right away, still have no idea what's going on there.

It's very strange indeed, from they way it's coded it looks like it's intended to work like this though, I mean why would they code [charachter relationship]-=-1 instead of [charachter relationship]-=1 in multiple parts of the game, it seems too weird to be a mistake.

I tested and it really makes you gain points in some situations where it's likely you are supposed to lose them so i don't know what to think. Regarding not gaining a point with partner Shelly everything looks normal in the code, so I don't know why it works like that, I will test it in the future.

If @Ice Cream Sand Witch could check the stuff I mention in my two posts she might enlighten us, she probably understands the code better than me. 

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Not sure if this has been asked before, but when you leave an area when partnered up with someone multiple times, do you lose relationship points multiple times? For example, if I'm with Victoria in Pyrous Mountain, and I exit the area twice, do I lose 2 points or do I lose 4 points with Victoria?

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1 hour ago, NightJay said:

Not sure if this has been asked before, but when you leave an area when partnered up with someone multiple times, do you lose relationship points multiple times? For example, if I'm with Victoria in Pyrous Mountain, and I exit the area twice, do I lose 2 points or do I lose 4 points with Victoria?

Just the -2, it doesn't happen multiple times.

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Defeat Solaris and John with Florinia (you're partnered with Florinia for this fight if you lost to Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain): +1 Florinia
Defeat Solaris and John with Julia (you're partnered with Julia for this fight if you defeated Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain): -1 Fern, +1 Julia

I very definitely beat that Garchomp, but I'm partnered with Florina. Has something changed, or is my save dodgy?

 

(Also, I'm glad relationship points won't lock you out of anything - I would hve made some very different decisions had I know about them.)

 

EDIT: Nevermind, there's two double battles. Ignore me!

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I have some news.There are anything i remember (Sr,my English isn't good).

1.I found Titania at the forest. (Amaria :1,Titania : -1)

2. I read Titania's diary.

3.I said I didn't read her diary.

4.I told Amaria about the diary.

 

After that. 

+Amaria:3

+Titania:0

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