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[E18 Spoilers]Relationship Variable Guide [DISCONTINUED]


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During E16's beta testing period, I went through in RPG Maker and noted down all of the relationship points.    A few things of note:   1. The game will not tell you when something

These are the relationship points organized by character. E18 spoilers for: Cain, Victoria, Florinia, Noel, Samson, Charlotte, Ciel, Adrienn, Titania, Hardy, Bennett, Eve, Lumi. Points with asterisks

I'm just gonna leave the ones that I found in a quick search, I may have missed some and I'm not going to check if there are new ones in past episodes since I don't have that much free time. Spoilers

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I'm just gonna leave the ones that I found in a quick search, I may have missed some and I'm not going to check if there are new ones in past episodes since I don't have that much free time. Spoilers for E18, for obvious reasons: 

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Agree with Hardy at Calcenon+1 Hardy, -1 Florinia

Agree with Florinia at Calcenon: +1 Florinia, -1 Hardy

When Charlotte asks you if you believed her: Yes = +1 Charlotte if you have positive points with her, -1 if you have negative or 0 points; No = -1 Charlotte if you have positive points with her, +1 if you have negative or 0 points

When Charlotte asks you if you're going to do something: Yes = +1 Charlotte, No = you don't lose or win points

Bet with Hardy outside the Glass Workstation: Yes = +1 Hardy, No = you don't lose or win points

When Bennett asks what he promised: To be stronger than anyone = -1 Bennett, To win Luna = you don't lose or win points, To make things different = +2 Bennett, No = +1 Bennett

Wake up Hardy two times with Glaceon in the elevator (one, three and four times give more dialog but no more points): +1 Hardy

Wake up Noel with Glaceon: +1 Noel

When Cain asks you if you know what you want to do in the future: +1 Cain (doesn't matter the answer)

Ask Eve about all PULSES: +1 Eve

*Talk to Titania during Agate battle: -1 Titania

*Talk to Titania again after she moves forward: -1 Titania

**Talk to Ciel at the circus: +1 Ciel

**Talk to Samson at the backroom of the circus: +1 Samson

 

* = Reshiram route only

** = if you refused to give Blake the ring Samson disappears, if not, Ciel is the one that does, so you can only get one of those two points

 

Sidequests/not part of the main story:

Talk to Victoria down the Opal Ward: +1 Victoria

Cause trouble with Sandy at Malchous forest: -1 Adrienn

Cause trouble with Sandy at Water Treatment Center: -1 Adrienn

 
 

 

Again I may have missed some, but I suppose this is better than nothing.

 

PD: Sorry if I stole your job Ice Cream Sand Witch, it seemed like a lot of people needed this list.

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I've updated the guide to E18. Apologies for not updating sooner; when guides were discussed in the staff channel on discord the consensus was that it'd be best to wait a while before updating to give people time to explore on their own and to diminish the spread of spoilers (although Ame was more lenient when asked about the relationship variable guide). 

 

@Semiramis no worries; actually your post was helpful because you found some points that I didn't find. There's also one I found that I didn't add because I'm confused on its activation; it's for Charlotte and (possibly) involves an E18 sidequest.

 

There's a +1 with Charlotte for opening the back door of her gym, but this scene, from my understanding, only seems to happen if you do so before the gym battle with Charlotte. I could be very wrong though. If someone could help me with this so I can add it to the guide, it'd be very appreciated.

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3 hours ago, Ice Cream Sand Witch said:

I've updated the guide to E18. Apologies for not updating sooner; when guides were discussed in the staff channel on discord the consensus was that it'd be best to wait a while before updating to give people time to explore on their own and to diminish the spread of spoilers (although Ame was more lenient when asked about the relationship variable guide). 

 

@Semiramis no worries; actually your post was helpful because you found some points that I didn't find. There's also one I found that I didn't add because I'm confused on its activation; it's for Charlotte and (possibly) involves an E18 sidequest.

 

 

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There's a +1 with Charlotte for opening the back door of her gym, but this scene, from my understanding, only seems to happen if you do so before the gym battle with Charlotte. I could be very wrong though. If someone could help me with this so I can add it to the guide, it'd be very appreciated.

 

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I knew there had to be some points related to petting Glaceon and Espeon, but I couldn't find them. I even tried now, but couldn't find them either. So rip me.

 

For the sake of curiosity, which were the points that you didn't find? Because seriously, some were really easy to miss. I don't even know if we got them all.

 

Regarding your question, I understood it the same way as you. It seems that Charlotte needs to be in the arena (thing that only happens when you go to challenge her) and the event points should be 29 or less (not sure if doing all the events before facing Charlotte will give you less than 30 points though). 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Semiramis said:
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I knew there had to be some points related to petting Glaceon and Espeon, but I couldn't find them. I even tried now, but couldn't find them either. So rip me.

 

For the sake of curiosity, which were the points that you didn't find? Because seriously, some were really easy to miss. I don't even know if we got them all.

 

Regarding your question, I understood it the same way as you. It seems that Charlotte needs to be in the arena (thing that only happens when you go to challenge her) and the event points should be 29 or less (not sure if doing all the events before facing Charlotte will give you less than 30 points though). 

 

 

 

Relationship points where you're teamed up with someone are found in Tools -> Database -> Common Events. They're named "Dependent x", where x is the name of the character you're teamed up with. These events contain all possible dialogue with them as well as relationship points. 

 

The points you had that I didn't find:
Wake up Hardy two times with Glaceon in the elevator (one, three and four times give more dialog but no more points): +1 Hardy
Ask Eve about all PULSES: +1 Eve
*Talk to Titania during Agate battle: -1 Titania
*Talk to Titania again after she moves forward: -1 Titania
**Talk to Ciel at the circus: +1 Ciel
**Talk to Samson at the backroom of the circus: +1 Samson
Talk to Victoria down the Opal Ward: +1 Victoria

I'm not sure how I didn't find the one with Eve when asking her about the PULSEs, since if I'm remembering right I did check that event with her. Same with Samson and Ciel at the circus, since Ciel disappeared in my file and I wanted to see what she said if Samson would've disappeared. I did finish E18 around 3-4 AM 2 days into alpha testing though so it's possible I just didn't notice those points because I was tired. 

 I also didn't know there was an Opal Ward event with Victoria in E18; I've only seen her in the Grand Hall's basement.

 

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Relationship points where you're teamed up with someone are found in Tools -> Database -> Common Events. They're named "Dependent x", where x is the name of the character you're teamed up with. These events contain all possible dialogue with them as well as relationship points. 

 


 

The points you had that I didn't find:

Wake up Hardy two times with Glaceon in the elevator (one, three and four times give more dialog but no more points): +1 Hardy

Ask Eve about all PULSES: +1 Eve

*Talk to Titania during Agate battle: -1 Titania

*Talk to Titania again after she moves forward: -1 Titania

**Talk to Ciel at the circus: +1 Ciel

**Talk to Samson at the backroom of the circus: +1 Samson

Talk to Victoria down the Opal Ward: +1 Victoria

 

I'm not sure how I didn't find the one with Eve when asking her about the PULSEs, since if I'm remembering right I did check that event with her. Same with Samson and Ciel at the circus, since Ciel disappeared in my file and I wanted to see what she said if Samson would've disappeared. I did finish E18 around 3-4 AM 2 days into alpha testing though so it's possible I just didn't notice those points because I was tired. 

 

I also didn't know there was an Opal Ward event with Victoria in E18; I've only seen her in the Grand Hall's basement.
 

 

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W-well, when I finished writing the post, it was kind of late and my English died a bit, so I forgot the name of the Grand Hall and had to put "down Opal Ward" just because it was the closest thing that I could think of 😅 Grand Hall's basement would be the correct thing to say.

 

PD: You forgot to put +1 Victoria in her event at the Grand Hall in the points "From Amaria to E18's Leader".

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45 minutes ago, Starry Knight said:
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When is ciel/Simon supposed to show up to talk to possibly in the circus?

  

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After you retake Agate, though I'm not sure if it's immediately after or if you have to beat Hardy first.

 

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After you retake Agate, though I'm not sure if it's immediately after or if you have to beat Hardy first.

 

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Kept checking, have yet to beat him but the person has yet to show up so must be after Hardy

 

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Idk if this thread is still open for replies or not, so feel free to scold me if i'm overstepping but I wanted to ask about the field burning during the Noel fight. What counts exactly as burning? When the entire field morphs/ changes or when you use a move like flamethrower and the grass catches fire underneath (field does not change)? Also does it count if his own girafarig burns the field? cause it can...

 

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On 9/5/2018 at 9:00 PM, LunarCosmos said:
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Idk if this thread is still open for replies or not, so feel free to scold me if i'm overstepping but I wanted to ask about the field burning during the Noel fight. What counts exactly as burning? When the entire field morphs/ changes or when you use a move like flamethrower and the grass catches fire underneath (field does not change)? Also does it count if his own girafarig burns the field? cause it can...

 

Iirc, this thread just changes name to the next episode when another one drops, so this thread is normally open for relevant posts regardless since when the variables where introduced I think.



On the other point, you have to literally set the field ablaze (change the field). Reborn has multiple events in which changing the field in aanother one has overworld effects, like some Gym leader interactions. I think it would be very difficult to account for every possible fire move that gets boosted if they were used during a fight, but an end-check for the field isn't that hard I suppose.

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On 9/5/2018 at 2:00 PM, LunarCosmos said:
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Idk if this thread is still open for replies or not, so feel free to scold me if i'm overstepping but I wanted to ask about the field burning during the Noel fight. What counts exactly as burning? When the entire field morphs/ changes or when you use a move like flamethrower and the grass catches fire underneath (field does not change)? Also does it count if his own girafarig burns the field? cause it can...

 

If relationships are effected there will be a moment in the cutscene that addresses it I believe. Laura will arrive after your battle with Noel. If she has flashbacks due to the fire then you went overboard.

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When is the MC supposed to speak with Titania in Agate? Because I went through the whole chapter and she stayed near Amaria's Gym (and keeps her dialogue the same)... Is it dependant on the branched story?

 

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11 minutes ago, kithas said:
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When is the MC supposed to speak with Titania in Agate? Because I went through the whole chapter and she stayed near Amaria's Gym (and keeps her dialogue the same)... Is it dependant on the branched story?

 

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I'm not 100% sure, but i think so 

 

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13 hours ago, kithas said:
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When is the MC supposed to speak with Titania in Agate? Because I went through the whole chapter and she stayed near Amaria's Gym (and keeps her dialogue the same)... Is it dependant on the branched story?

 

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It is indeed only available in the Reshiram route.

 

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Don't know if this is spoiler tag worthy or not but

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Defeat Solaris and John with Florinia (you're partnered with Florinia for this fight if you lost to Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain): +1 Florinia
Defeat Solaris and John with Julia (you're partnered with Julia for this fight if you defeated Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain): -1 Fern, +1 Julia

I defeated the Garchomp and was paired up with Florinia instead of Julia. Julia was kept preoccupied in another room that Blake froze the entrance to while the fight went on. I'm Reshiram route if that matters.

 

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I am using Ironfaar's mod, to regularly check up on harvested (Relationship) Points (additional options -> Debug Menu). There appears to be a problem with Shelly. First point for taking Kricketot in, registers normally; the second one, for talking to her inside the Orphanage raid, doesn't... I beat that part and i still have a +1 with her, instead of the +2. And no, i didn't leave the place, before i cleared it.

 

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The point with Shelly can be lost randomly, out of the blue, at any point between entering the basement and before the final cutscene. By numerous tests, it occurs, if you talk again to nurses you fought, after the battle is over. Don't know which one exactly, though.

 

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EXTRA POINTS

 

Right after beating Aya, i got a +1 Hardy and +1 Fern. I won against her the first time i challenged her. Don't know if it is a bug or not, but i report it regardless. Fits, though, since losing against her, nets a -1 to the exact same persons. I am sure about it, because my Fern score was 6 right before beating Aya and my Hardy score 1, from beating Fern in same gym.

 

Also, extra point for Sapphira:

 

I ended up with +4 to her, instead of the +3, with Tanzan Depths PC active. Laura capped at +2, exactly as per the guide.

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So I'm up to the part with Titania and the diary, and I wanted to know what I have to do to get her to come back without reading the Diary? I've been sitting here not moving for like 10 minutes or so and I just want to know if I had to do something earlier and it's useless or it's just a crazy long wait or something else entirely.

 

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So I'm up to the part with Titania and the diary, and I wanted to know what I have to do to get her to come back without reading the Diary? I've been sitting here not moving for like 10 minutes or so and I just want to know if I had to do something earlier and it's useless or it's just a crazy long wait or something else entirely.

 

Interact with the diary, then when it says "should you really read this?" say no, then say yes to Titania when she asks you if you read it (to not lose any points you lose points if you do anything else)

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27 minutes ago, boiger said:

I have been playing for a long time, and somehow I do not know what the benefit or downside of getting/(or not) relationship points.  Could a kind soul explain it to me what the the benefits are

For the time being, there are no benefits.They might be useful for the post game/legendaries but i think nothing has been confirmed yet.

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9 hours ago, boiger said:

I have been playing for a long time, and somehow I do not know what the benefit or downside of getting/(or not) relationship points.  Could a kind soul explain it to me what the the benefits are

I think it also triggers certain changes on events on the plot, like the events on the Belrose Mansion, dialogue options... But, yeah, as @Pozyher said, not much gameplay differences most of the variables.

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I think my save isn't working well. The other one's good. I checked relationship values with the Waynolt mod pack. One of my saves shows only relationship variables from E18. Do I need to post my save on any platform for it or here itself? Or is it new game time?

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14 hours ago, BRS swag said:

I think my save isn't working well. The other one's good. I checked relationship values with the Waynolt mod pack. One of my saves shows only relationship variables from E18. Do I need to post my save on any platform for it or here itself? Or is it new game time?

Relationship points were added in e16 iirc so your save is probably old and didn't get the old relationships since you've already finished the events and gotten no relationship points. If you play a fresh save from the beginning you will be able to get all the points no problem.

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