fangame [HIATUS] Pokémon Xenogene - Dev topic

[Caz 915]

Nontraditional starters is really great imo because it adds a new experience compared to the usual 'give me speed boost torchic pls thankies' thing that often goes on.

ORRRRRR you could handpick starters from multiple gens that would fit with other handpicked non starter mons.

I just want to play ehh uhh ._.

[Zargerth 254]

I agree with Caz on this one. I for one would like to see some odd choices for starter pokemon rather than the same old Charmander.

What about the Nidorans? That would mean no Moon Stones early game, though (?).

[Red_Chaos 9]

Pichu DOO EET

[RedKessel 0]

Yes another game being created, cant wait until it is ready!

[Ironbound 110]

I voted for 'other' starter.

Zumi, you already know, don't you...

MAGNEMITE, MAGNEMITE AND MAGNEMITE!

Or, more realistically, Magnemite, Staryu and Porygon.

pRaiSe Be tO AnaLYtic!

EDIT: also you showed me that ranger gym leader before, and I will say again what I said then: It's amazing, I like your thought process behind it, I anticipate this game eagerly, and...

Tell me more about the steel leader. Please. P l e a s e.

[Zumi 2466]

I like your thought process behind it, I anticipate this game eagerly, and...

Tell me more about the steel leader. Please. P l e a s e.

believe me, there would've been a chance that i would've shown something if it wasn't so spoilery... so i can't, sorry :[

[Ironbound 110]

Rats.

I notice you didn't discount the magnemite-as-starter opinion though. I cane hope, can't I?

[Alex 185]

give whimsicott starter

[Red_Chaos 9]

Goomy

[Ice Cream Sand Witch 1650]

I vote for Unown.

[YoshiofRedemption 0]

I have an idea for the starter scenario, if you're interested. My idea is to have a handful of non-traditional starters available (such as Eevee, Spheal, etc.) and have the randomized machine that can give you the traditional starters as Jackpot starters.

In other words, the reverse of how you pick your starter Pokemon in Rejuvenation.

[Zumi 2466]

I have an idea for the starter scenario, if you're interested. My idea is to have a handful of non-traditional starters available (such as Eevee, Spheal, etc.) and have the randomized machine that can give you the traditional starters as Jackpot starters.

In other words, the reverse of how you pick your starter Pokemon in Rejuvenation.

That's actually quite an interesting idea! I may consider actually doing that now, seeing as there's interest in other starters as well.

I'll look into it, thanks!

[SnowGlaceon 12]

Maybe add an option for those who want to do a mono-type run? So one starter of each type, basically.

[Fumble 52]

Maybe add an option for those who want to do a mono-type run? So one starter of each type, basically.

Yeah, I had this idea for when I was planning a fan-game, but I'm too busy for that now rip

But if you want, I could give you the list of starters I had for inspiration~

[Zargerth 254]

I have an idea for the starter scenario, if you're interested. My idea is to have a handful of non-traditional starters available (such as Eevee, Spheal, etc.) and have the randomized machine that can give you the traditional starters as Jackpot starters.

In other words, the reverse of how you pick your starter Pokemon in Rejuvenation.

Basically, this is is a mixture of multiple fan-games. Desolation offers a variety of non-traditional starters to choose from, and the idea of jackpot from Rejuv is used but the way it works is changed. Not a bad idea to be honest.

[Zumi 2466]

So if I were to give starters for each type to create the opportunity for people to start a monotype run without having to edit a different starter in, I was thinking for now to have these for each type:

Normal: Lillipup

Fire: Vulpix/Growlithe

Grass: Seedot/Oddish

Water: Clauncher/Lotad

Electric: Shinx/Pichu

Ground: Trapinch

Rock: Roggenrola

Steel: Aron/Magnemite

Poison: Nidoran (Choice between both genders)

Ghost: Gastly (i was thinking of putting litwick at first but that's a BadIdea.png)

Dark: Scraggy/Sandile

Fairy: Flabébé/Togepi/Cleffa

Ice: Vanillite/Spheal

Dragon: Goomy/Axew

Psychic: Solosis/Gothita/Ralts

Flying: Pidove (no starly because otherwise it'd be powerful staraptor time and that's a no)

Bug: Sewaddle

Fighting: Machop/Timburr

The ones that have multiple Pokémon listed behind them are mons I haven't made a choice from yet, so if I could get some input on which ones you think would be fair choices (so the least broken) it'd be really appreciated. Or, if you have a completely different idea, then I'd like to hear that too!

Also, I already know which starters will be the jackpot starters, but I'm keeping those a secret :] You'll have to figure those out on your own when the game comes out!

[Masquerain 6]

Clauncher/shinx /solosis/vulpix/cleffa/timburr/sandile/magnemite/goomy/vanillite/oddish

that said, I happen to dislike most of the type-choices given but hey, would make my future choice easier :v

[Ironbound 110]

Magnemite. Magnemite. MAGNEMITE!

In all seriousness, you might be taking too much pain to avoid a Mon being broken as a starter; so much so that you may substitute a very inferior Mon instead for no reason.

For instance, Growlithe is a better Fire starter than Vulpix, not simply because Arcanine is very good, but because Ninetales is not good enough IMO. Unnecessary nerf. Similarly, Vileplume and Bellossom are too weak, and don't learn many good moves without TMs, compared to Shiftry, which would be fine as a Grass starter.

Your concern is valid for Axew and Togepi, however, as their final forms might really be too easy of a starter choice. Goomy is good but not broken, so is in-game Cleffa (Florges is again pointlessly inferior to Clefable)

In some cases the difference is rather negligible, like Machop and Timburr, both of which are very similar in strentgh and movepool. (I like machop more tbh because it learns Knock Off naturally and has a better ability to abuse)

Again, another thing I notice is that the nominees of some types are blatantly weaker than others'. Granted, that could simply be because the type itself is weaker overall, but Pidove for Flying is too useless IMO. Staraptor is hardly more broken than Haxorus, so if you are adding that as an option I don't see why you can't have Aikaburd in it too. Or you could just add a Taillow and be neutral; Swellow is not as borked as SATRAOTIR but still good with Guts Facade etc etc. Bug may also like idk, yanma or Joltik?

Coming to the main point...aggron is pretty subpar as a starter since it has criminally weak everything except physical bulk and attack. It will be a burden to the player, in my opinion, and may instead be an early encounter or something. Magnemite, however, is also powerful, has an actually good typing and is yet rather weak until it evolves into Magnezone, access to which you can control to be as early as lv 31 or as late as a more reasonable estimate may suggest, depending on when you want a magnetic cave/power plant/etc to be available. Besides, magnemite is challenging enough to use, since it still has a rather barren movepool and an exploitable weakness (Sander will probably be hell for me.)

Oh, and my two cents' worth: Sandile is better for Dark, Shinx is good for Electric (pls no electric rats, so cliché-ed) and Solosis for Psychic. Gastly may be too good for Ghost, maybe Misdreavus? I don't really care at all what you put for Ice, though.

[TimTim 0]

Either Swinub or Spheal is a good starter for ice, especially when you can softreset for that good ability Thick Fat, Vanillite is too frail imo, i still shudder over my randomized nuzlocke with Vanillite as starter and losing to goddamn NPC's Nosepass.

[Fumble 52]

Tbh, I didn't choose Goomy as a starter because it's so hard to work with it - you're stuck with the weakling until level 40...

imo Pidove, Oddish, and Shinx are a bit on the weaker side, and possibly Vanillite too, unless you give them slight buffs to movepool and/or stats.

Gastly actually isn't that great of a Pokemon, being frail and having a fairly bad movepool, but it does outclass ever other Ghost type. I guess that's just what starters do, though. I'm personally fine with it.

If I had to tier them, I'd say:

Lower:

- Pidove

- Oddish

- Shinx / Pichu

- Vanillite

- Roggenrola

- Sewaddle

- Goomy

Medium:

- Lillipup

- Vulpix / Growlithe

- Seedot

- Clauncher / Lotad

- Aron

- Gothita

- Spheal

- Nidoran

Good:

- Gastly

- Solosis / Ralts

- Axew

- Machop / Timburr

- Trapinch

- Scraggy / Sandile

- Flabebe / Togepi / Cleffa

- Magnemite

Boop if you want ideas, I didn't pick any Pokemon with stone or item + trade evolution:

LITLEO - Normal

SHROOMISH - Grass

DARUMAKA - Fire

TYMPOLE - Water

CHINCHOU - Electric

MACHOP - Fighting

CROAGUNK - Poison

YANMA - Flying

ARON - Rock

DWEBBLE - Bug

SABLEYE - Ghost

SWINUB - Ground

INKAY - Psychic

SPHEAL - Ice (Evolves at level 28, and then 40)

AXEW - Dragon

SANDILE - Dark

MAGNEMITE - Steel

AZURILL - Fairy (Tackle at start)

[Zumi 2466]

Alright, so gathering from what you guys said, I revised the list:

Normal: Lillipup/Litleo

Fire: Growlithe

Grass: Seedot

Water: Clauncher

Electric: Shinx

Ground: Trapinch

Rock: Larvitar/Aron/Roggenrola

Steel: Magnemite

Poison: Nidoran

Ghost: Gastly/Misdreavus

Dark: Sandile

Fairy: Cleffa

Ice: Swinub/Spheal

Dragon: Goomy

Psychic: Solosis

Flying: Taillow

Bug: Sewaddle/Dwebble

Fighting: Machop

Regarding rock, though... I don't entirely know if putting Larvitar as a starter is a good idea since Tyranitar means POWERRRRRR, but since it evolves pretty late it may still be doable. Any opinions on these?

i'll probably have to find a counter for larvitar for lucile though LOL, but i think that won't be too big of a problem

Also, from which starters would you pick from the ones that now still have multiple listed?

[Azeria 390]

Alright, so gathering from what you guys said, I revised the list:

Normal: Lillipup/Litleo

Fire: Growlithe

Grass: Seedot

Water: Clauncher

Electric: Shinx

Ground: Trapinch

Rock: Larvitar/Aron/Roggenrola

Steel: Magnemite

Poison: Nidoran

Ghost: Gastly/Misdreavus

Dark: Sandile

Fairy: Cleffa

Ice: Swinub/Spheal

Dragon: Goomy

Psychic: Solosis

Flying: Taillow

Bug: Sewaddle/Dwebble

Fighting: Machop

Regarding rock, though... I don't entirely know if putting Larvitar as a starter is a good idea since Tyranitar means POWERRRRRR, but since it evolves pretty late it may still be doable. Any opinions on these?

i'll probably have to find a counter for larvitar for lucile though LOL, but i think that won't be too big of a problem

Also, from which starters would you pick from the ones that now still have multiple listed?

Zumi you know that there is only one answer for the rock type right?

SHUCKLE FUCKLE TIME BABY

Nah but seriously, how about Aron or something? Aron's not too OP right?

[Ironbound 110]

*Sees Magnemite, is satisfied*

I don't think i need answer that, eh? But as for the things that are still slashed, I'd say Dwebble any day over the leaf thing, and I think Swinub and Larvitar are too much power for starters. Really, too much. You might add both of those rather later in game as well, since Mamoswine and Tyranitar mean serious business. Besides, Swinub + Sandile + Trapinch are too many ground type options, and Magnemite feels scared!

As for the Normal Staterter, better have Lillipup because it is a pure normal type and because it learns useful moves like the elemental Bites, Superpower, etc. Unlike Litleo, Lillipup also has useable abilities, especially Intimidate, which can compensate for picking the Normal type. Also more puppies are always a good idea.

Gengar is also maybe too much power as a starter, but since it's frail, and doesn't learn some of its best moves without TMs, it may not be as bad as Swinub and Larvitar. Certainly the best ghost type though.

Also, a lot of your starter options, like Misdreavus, Seedot, Growlithe, etc need a stone to evolve to their final forms. Hope you keep that in mind when you decide when to allow access to these stones.

[TimTim 0]

Nah Swinub line is counterbalanced by the fact that Swinub evolves very late at level 33, and further evolution needs heart scale, plus leveling up movesets are mainly special moves until later with this physical oriented mon, raising it is always huge pain though, besides there is not a lot of ice types to begin with give more decent ice types GF I am with Viri on Gastly line, poor leveling up movepools ground it a little as OP mon

[Swampellow 116]

Alright, so gathering from what you guys said, I revised the list:

Normal: Lillipup

Rock:Roggenrola

Ghost: Gastly

Ice: Swinub

Bug:Dwebble

Bug type is arguably one of the hardest types to choose for, Dwebble is good, however I think something like joltik/venipede would also be good choices.

also holy crap gen 5 has a ton of bug types