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1 hour ago, nhehvnukl said:
To be fair, Anna does say something about Taka's death being salvageable if you beat Solaris's Garchomp. We just have to wait and see.
Well, good thing I used up a Focus Sash to Destiny Bond him out of existence then lol. If only I picked Reshiram...
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5 minutes ago, Sopi said:
Going through my first playthrough of Reborn, when the time finally came for me to choose a split for the Zekrom or Reshiram routes, I personally chose the Reshiram route- after doing a bit of looking around I figured that a more blunt, or "truthful" route of this story fit the dark mood of Reborn more. And, oh boy, did it deliver.
(Apologies if this is the wrong place to say this, as I know this is a discussion about Amaria, but I just wanted to comment:) You pointed out that on your second run of Reborn, your perspective on some of the characters had changed- which I thought was pretty interesting! Two of my favorite characters that you pointed out were Corey, and ironically, Fern (Yes, Fern). As for me, Corey already had a place of sympathy the first time I realized that he had been unmasked as part of Team Meteor in front of his own daughter- and his death was so sad (Yes, I cried-), and yet fitting, I feel. As for Fern, I never really hated him, I just thought he was a jerk but found his little jabs at the MC funny. As you said, there's a sense of insecurity from him, which begs the question as to why? (If his story is ever developed more I do hope it might explain why he acts the way he does), and the moment I saw him on Team Meteor's side, his character just piqued my interest more (that's a topic for some other time, this is about Amaria, not Fern!).Continuing:
When I finally got to Amaria's gym, the part where she tries to literally drown the MC is certainly shocking, but I suppose you could say in her head, it was very much justified. Titania was the only person she could lean on, the only person who wouldn't leave her, and so obviously she depended on her so much it that Tania had become her lifeline- but it got to the point where it was so much, it was toxic. As you said, Amaria leaves Tania trapped- so it was certainly a tight spot for her to be in. She obviously needs help- professional help- and she wasn't going to get it herself- which just led her to spiral worse and worse until she just becomes unhinged and tries to kill the MC. Personally, Amaria didn't really bother me too much (?), as for the relationship between these two characters, I was more focused on Titania's side, since the idea of someone being trapped in such a difficult spot was interesting to me- as well as her breaking away from Amaria in the Reshiram route. However, even though my opinion on Amaria was typically surface level for most of the story, there is one part that really stung me the wrong way.
It's when you try and find her in her gym, and she says:
"I know- She doesn't love me. I've tasted the disdain on her lips a half-thousand times. I'd suck the venom right from her tongue a half-thousand more if it meant she would always be here..."
The fact that Amaria is so vividly aware that Titania feels trapped in this relationship, and yet still keeps going, is so disturbing to me. For her to be so dependent on Titania and ignore her friend's feelings like that just for herself was really the moment I started to realize that something was really wrong. I wonder if Amaria's love for Titania is really love? Or maybe it's just some sort of twisted kind of dependence on her because she's never had anyone else to lean on.
Either way, Amaria's actions could also be said as justified- her depression leads her to act this way- since she's in such a dark place, so she can't really see the rights and wrongs in her actions. However, I'm not the one to say these things, as I've never really experienced depression (so I hope I didn't come off as ignorant n~n;;), but sympathy for everyone who had to go through it. Yet at the same time, for her to act so selfishly is also shocking, as you would expect her to care more for how Titania feels in the relationship as well- and yet she doesn't. In the end, I would simply say she's acting human- someone who has been through too much, and never really got the help they severely needed, nor did they ever learn to pick themselves up and hold themselves responsible to heal, as you said. Both Titania's and Amaria's stories are sad, as well as so bluntly human. People make mistakes, shy away from standing up to toxic relationships, make the wrong choices, and sometimes even spiral down a painful path because there was never anyone to really help them get up- just like Amaria.
I'm not sure if her actions can ever be justified- but I still think that doesn't take away the fact that the story of these two is so very much human.
You definitely don't come off as ignorant, you're good in that regard. You condensed what I was trying to say rather well; Amaria, knowing her impact on Titania, still refuses to let her go, or to seek help to gain the mental strength to move on, which is what upsets me about her character. Like I said, the only thing holding me back from doing the Truth route is Taka. He really didn't need to die IMO, it just feels like they needed a punching bag for Titania but she, ironically, is in almost the same situation as him.
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1 hour ago, Ruby Red said:
Honestly? Same. tbh this is probably going be a big jumbled mess of opinions haha.
Something that puts Titania at the bottom of my list of ''characters i care for'' is her unwillingness to leave behind someone who she knows for sure is toxic towards her. As someone who's also had a bad depression and knew a good amount of toxic people at the time, once I realized how toxic they were for my mentality I was able to cope and leave them behind (with the support of friends, of course), and I have been happier ever since. Thing is, Titania knows how bad Amaria is being towards her, and as we see in reshiram route leaving amaria was as easy as just saying a few words, and titania will be happier in no time. Amaria too, if she learns to cope. I'm sure its hard to leave behind someone you care for, but the realization that Amaria doesnt care for Tania's wellbeing should've been enough for someone who murders people daily.
I might be sounding a bit salty here, but its frustrating to see someone else in kind of the same situation i was once in. I also have no empathy for a murderer, but i wont go into that here, haha.
Anyway, i'm sure there's a bunch of people who think i'm biased with my disliking of Titania since I'm a massive Taka fan. Honestly though, I believe that Taka's character was wasted in Reshiram route as a means for tania to leave amaria. There's many other ways to deal with this sort of situation, but I honestly believe this to just be bad writing, or just killing off a beloved for shock value, who knows. Either way I'm saying I dont think Taka had to die for tanias change.
This bit here is probably a bit of a random negative I have for titania, but Taka hinted at tania and MC in the WTC that he could be severly punished/murdered if he left meteor, a place he was born into. He's forced to stay there when Titania doesn't have the threat of getting murdered if she leaves Amaria. Her outburst at Taka really pisses me off, but then again, that could be why he left meteor in e18. idk lolInteresting perspective. While I was pushing most of my displeasure at Amaria for being the toxic force, you instead direct yours at Titania for putting up with said toxicity. I won't go too far into Titania's actions (like you said, that's a whole nother discussion), but I agree about Taka. In the Reshiram route, he's just a meatbag for Titania to slice n dice, which is unfortunate to say the least.
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Howdy, everyone. I'd like to preface this with a couple things. I'm currently on my second full runthrough of the game and am enjoying it immensely. I've come to appreciate things on my new run that, previously, I had loathed to no end. To the development team, thank you for the great game, keep up the great work! As for this particular topic, I made a Reddit post recently that describes my original interpretation of this whole shebang. If you want some more context, click here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonReborn/comments/coyvse/fuck_titania_and_amaria_both/
Anyway, on to the main topic of discussion. Strap in, it's a long one.
Obligatory spoiler warning: don't read this if you haven't resolved the Titania/Amaria storyline.
So throughout an average playthrough of this game, one runs into a plethora of interesting characters, some memorable and loved and others infamously despised. During my original run, I found myself absolutely despising certain characters and plot lines. However, for the most part, my second playthrough did much to change my perspective. I took this run through a lot slower than before and actually paid attention to the minute facets of dialogue and player-NPC interaction. Corey went from unredeemable edgelord to a man that reacts in a way that, realistically, any one of us could expect to act after what he went through; Victoria went from bland roadblock to a girl who incessantly wishes to protect those she cares about, a desire stemming from her mentor/mother-figure(?)'s fragility; T3RR4 may be slightly obnoxious, but comedy is subjective and, even if her style of humor doesn't sit right with me, that doesn't make her a bad character; even Fern screams insecurity in a way that might be fleshed out in the coming update. In short, a lot of characters that I previously was not a fan of now leave feeling empathetic; these are people reacting in understandable ways to the problems they face. However, there is one character who, despite my best efforts, despite hoping against hope that I might have missed something, simply fails to incite anything but pure, unbridled rage in my eyes: Amaria.
My reasoning for this is manyfold. Originally, my opinion on Amaria was mostly a conglomerate that encompassed the entire Titania/Amaria plotline. Before, I thought that this part of the game was just melodrama for the sake of advancing the plot. I didn't like Titania much, but unlike the other characters I named, I wasn't sure why other than "hur dur melodrama and edge". However, upon replaying the quest, I realized two things. First, most of my hatred from Titania came from one source: her diary. As a person, it would be very out-of-character for me to go snooping around in other people's secrets. Conversing with them to help them is one thing but, given the opportunity, I would choose to leave a diary or other piece of personal affairs untouched. So when my character had to interact with the diary, I wasn't the happiest camper, and being yelled at by Titania for something I not only didn't do, but frankly had no interest in doing, felt massively unfair. I mean, I'm sorry you're dating someone you don't love, but how is that my fault? Just buck up, rip that Band-Aid off and don't force your insecurities on me! However, while I still disagree with being forced to go against my morals to progress, I understand. I understand that Titania had to snap somehow, so as to clue in Amaria that something was off and create a parallel to the IRL Rebon League. I understand that, given Titania's character, she would be unwilling to trust a stranger that just-so-happens to be standing right next to her darkest secrets. I understand that Titania can't just outright be truthful to Amaria, as contradictory as that might be with her "there's no such thing as a happy ending" mentality; she knows how unstable Amaria is, and as quick as she is to murder people for the sake of her own goals, she doesn't want unnecessary blood, especially from a close friend, to be spilled. If anything, Titania's choice to live a lie for so long might parallel my own choice in a similar position; I want people to be happy, even at the sake of my own happiness, and if that means living a life I detest with someone I don't care about romantically, then so be it. In short, I realized that most of my anger with the "Titania" half of this dichotomy is the forced reading of the diary, but it's still fine by me. It had to happen, her reaction was reasonable and her character is not only someone I can respect and admire, but relate to. However, after realizing this, I realized yet another thing: that the melodrama I hated about this quest stems almost entirely from Amaria.
Oh boy, where do I start? Amaria, as we all know, has a host of deep-seated mental issues. She's suffering from severe depression, apparently self-harms (according to the wiki, correct me if I'm wrong), and even regularly contemplates suicide. Additionally, we know that Titania is the only thing keeping her going; upon meeting the two in their home, we see that Amaria fawns over her even while Titania appears aloof the entire time. I never read her journal in the Trainer School (though it has since been spoiled for me), but I remember listening to her dialogue and feeling sorry for her. "Wow, she's really going through it. Having gone through depression I know the struggle, glad she's found some support", I originally thought. However, her later actions turn my view of her sour. Her suicide tells me that Titania is more than merely a support network for her; without Titania, she cannot function, indicating that Amaria is not attempting to learn to cope, instead using Titania to bear the burden of her own instability. Of course, it only goes down from there. I have only done the Zekrom route, so it's the route I'm more familiar with, but in this route, her dialogue indicates that she even knows about the impact she has on Titania. I would theorize that she has always known that Titania feels shackled by their relationship, but refused to acknowledge it ("Does Tania care about me? She seems so aloof, I wonder if she feels the same way I do. Oh well, she hasn't said anything yet, I guess I must be wrong. She's my world, surely I must be the same to her"). However, despite knowing (or at least suspecting) that Titania isn't happy, she refuses to attempt to become functional enough to move on. This is further exemplified in the Reshiram route, in which she is overcome by a hatred for the player character, blaming them for taking Titania away (so-to-speak) and even going so far as to attempt to drown them for the perceived wrongdoing. This, ironically, finally drives Titania away and forces Amaria to come to grips with reality. The fantasy life she led is now gone, and where does that leave her? Nowhere, because she still cannot accept that, though depression sucks and may not be her own fault, it's still her responsibility to overcome it, to seek help from appropriate sources and to stop burdening those who attempt to help, but end up just shouldering the emotional baggage of the person that has since refused to help themselves. I think this is what fuels my anger at Amaria; when going through my own depressive episodes, I ended up dragging down those around me. It was only after years of this that I realized what I had to do. One's family and friends are, of course, necessary; they're the best support network one can ask for, or should be, at least. However, at some point, I realized that I had to actually work on getting better, not just unloading my baggage on those close to me and never working to change. So I sought therapy, learned coping techniques, and became a functioning human being again. Amaria, as I stated previously, has done none of this. She leaves her best friend in a state of perpetual worry that she might do something drastic, leading to a "forced" relationship that became a prison for Titania, and continued the depressed rants, suicidal ideology and overall instability whilst clinging to Titania with an iron-hard grasp. If anything, the truth/Reshiram route might end up being better for Amaria. With Titania gone, there's nothing shielding Amaria from her demons, and she now must face them head-on, or suffer. Hell, I likely would've gone down this route, were it not for one of my favorite characters: Taka. He shouldn't have to die for Amaria to shoulder some responsibility for her own well-being.
In short, despite my original empathy for Amaria, her actions reveal someone entirely unable to seek proper help for her issues, instead relying on Titania to give up her own happiness to become the final support pillar keeping Amaria's "roof" from crashing down. If she continues to incessantly cling to this farce of a relationship, how can she ever hope to improve? More importantly, this all ends up forced on the player character; a misunderstanding becomes a catalyst for yet more blame placed on the player-character's shoulders, and the fact that Amaria's mental instability becomes the driving force in much of the story with no eventual payoff (unless one does the Reshiram route, but Taka's death is a major turnoff for me undertaking that route, especially since he still develops as a character and leaves Team Meteor in Agate). While I understand that this is somewhat meant to parallel the Reborn League, it still infuriates me to see Amaria acting like a leech and refusing to buck up and help herself.
Anyway, that's that. If Amethyst or anyone else on the dev team reads this, I hope I didn't offend. I merely wish to share my perspective on a character, as well as some insight I gained about myself via my journey through this game. I also hoped to spur some discussion; feel free to share any thoughts down below. Thanks for reading!
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2 minutes ago, Saijo said:
Weird. Sadly I can't of another methop to help at the moment. For the crash get the sripts.rxdata from the downloaded game again and replace it.
Sorry that I couldn't help.
It's all good, thank you so much for the responses. It still works on my home PC at least, so I'm not totally barred from playing the game.
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3 minutes ago, Saijo said:
Just replace it in the data folder from the game.
Still nothing, the game still crashes and throws out that same error
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1 minute ago, Saijo said:
Try using the same script from PC, or mine.
Alright, I'll give it a whirl. This might be a dumb question, but what should I use to open the file?
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20 minutes ago, Saijo said:
Well it did run smoothly on my end. Are there different versions on your pc or laptop? Or try to redownload the game and replace the old.
I just tried a fresh reinstall, no luck. Still getting the same error
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Hello everyone. As the title says, I started a new save game on my desktop PC, and just tried to transfer it over to my laptop, so I can grind and such. However, upon attempting to save, I get the following error:
This didn't happen in my last playthrough, and I am at a loss as to how to correct the issue. Any help is much appreciated! For reference, here's the save file in question:
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Just now, seki108 said:
It's a backup file specifically to trade Balm Mushrooms, so feel free to keep the Yamma.
Solid. Thx again!
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1 minute ago, seki108 said:
I can send. Let me just start the game and I'll be on in a minute
Thx so much! Do you want your Yanma back, or...
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11 minutes ago, seki108 said:
Sorry for taking awhile, but I'm back on now
It's fine. I'm on now. You wanna send it, or should I? My ID is Shaderu
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8 hours ago, seki108 said:
I can trade you one next time we are both on. I'll be here for another hour or two.
Solid. I'll be online for most of today, so lmk when youre able
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Hey all. So I'm pretty sure I sold the Balm Mushroom I needed for the Spyce quest, from Malchous Forest (I didn't know I would need it and I was short on money), and now that we're in episode 18, Paras no longer holds them. Does anyone have a spare?
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1 minute ago, Starry Knight said:
Okay
Sent the request. I’m sorry, I forgot I can’t access my PC while in the trade menu Unless you would prefer to send it?
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1 minute ago, Starry Knight said:
Okay I'm ready
Thx. I left my experience share on that one now, can you give me one second to go get something else
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Just now, Starry Knight said:
Mine is Snorlax brt, I usually prefer to request since it works better that way for me though
OK, mine is Shaderu
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30 minutes ago, Starry Knight said:
Are you still on will be on for awhile? if not should be on most of tomorrow evening if not (23h from now)
If you’re free, I can get on right now. What’s your online name?
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If you’re free, I can get on right now. What’s your online name?
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On 1/2/2019 at 9:57 PM, Starry Knight said:
I can offer you one
I don't need anything in particular Mon wise, is there any pokemon in particular you want one on?
Thank you so much, and I’m sorry for the long period of no response, I’ve been off the Internet for a while. I don’t need it on anything in particular, anything is fine. When can you be online?
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Hello everyone. Idk if this is the right place for this but here goes. So I’ve been attempting to get a blue moon ice cream from the vendor at the circus. Since I’m currently stuck there, I can’t use the more reliable vending machines. I need one for to Titania, but after three hours of grinding for one I’ve had no luck. I don’t have much to offer but I was wondering if anybody would be willing to part with an extra Blue moon ice cream?
Still getting this error months later, no idea what the issue is
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Howdy. As the title says, I’m still getting a strange error message on my laptop when I attempt to play Reborn. I try to save, then the error pops up and I CTD. I tried asking the question here before but was unable to come up with a fix. I’m trying to move all my stuff off my desktop that isn’t work/school-related, so any help at all in resolving the problem would be much appreciated. I’ve got the pop up attached below.
Thank you!