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Thanks for the response, Abyss! ♥
I'll be glad to see some guidelines, so thanks for considering it! I think the thread we currently have for how R4 works is a pretty good framework to go off, and I personally really like having quotable sections to refer to when people seem to misunderstand or not know a rule.
For the channel description, the pop-up upon joining the server is very neat, and the welcome channel covers the game related channels, but as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) the only way to get it to pop back up is to leave and rejoin the server, and I'd love to additionally have something more permanent that also covers general channels. It never hurts to have a linkable source in another location, and I don't think it'll be terribly much work to provide, since most channels don't need much explanation.For the second post and your responses to it - I am glad to hear that there's self-reflection going on.
Like I already said yesterday, I honestly don't enjoy taking the matter to this thread, and in the past years I have always taken my concerns with staff behavior to an auth member of my choice. I've always felt that they did a good job reacting to it.
But within this past year I've simply felt like certain patterns of behavior have surfaced too frequently, I really couldn't keep sliding into someone's DMs every time - and I for one have not felt like the situation improved in the past months.I just do not like seeing people receive passive-aggression, mockery or scorn for simple non-malicious mistakes, and it's a real downer when it comes from auth members. Again, higher standards and all that.
We're in a chat, not facing each other in real life. There's always time to take a deep breath and swallow the exasperation and the impulse to make a snarky remark. There's always time to ask someone nicely to do/not do something. And it's always better to express a concern openly instead of vagueing in the hopes that people will catch on.
But thanks for the acknowledgement, and thanks to everyone who's taking it into consideration.
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So like, not to double post on main or whatever
But I have a second concern and I've been kinda iffy on whether or not I should bring it up because I hate being the bitch to stir up DiscourseTM
Think it's time tho because it's gotten to a point where I'm actually genuinely uncomfortable with the situation
I would like to ask for R5 to include some kind of guideline or instruction for how to proceed in case someone feels like an auth member's action hasn't been justified. A way to raise objections, if you will.
Two reasons for that:
One, obvious, while auth naturally get the final say in someone's reprimands or punishments, auth aren't infallible, and I think if people have good reasons or proof to object to a given warning or reprimand, they should have a chance to appeal to the auth team to review the case.
I don't think it's intuitive to everyone to assume that you can do this, or know who to contact about it, so a rundown a la "if you have reason to believe x, please contact us in y way" blah blahSecond, because I keep seeing instances in which I genuinely consider the actions showcased by auth members to be unprofessional, and I believe people should have a way of informing themselves on how to address such concerns 1) discreetly and 2) in a way that ensures that the team will review/discuss the matter.
I've noticed, within the past year especially, a rise in occasions on which I've seen several! members of the auth team be passive-aggressive and snappy with people for little to no reason, in addition to that I've seen people reinforce this behavior by cheering it on.
I firmly believe that if someone chooses to accept a position as auth, they have to resign themselves to the fact that they will be interacting with people who require patience, and that if they have a short temper or consider themselves a "cant stand idiots" kinda person, they ought to reconsider if they're fit for that job.
It's one thing to get exasperated when one person repeatedly tests your patience, but another when you snap at people on their first mistake, especially when it's not a rulebreak and merely etiquette.It's understandable if one gets tired of seeing people make the same mistakes that are easy to avoid, but I believe that if you're a rolemodel for the community, you have to be able to either get past that, vent it out in private if you must, or hand off situations to another staff member instead. You should certainly be able to word your grievances in a non-antagonizing matter, at least.
I really, really didn't want to have to bring this up because I know I'm gonna have many people roll their eyes at me, but it makes me uncomfortable to see these situations happen repeatedly and I worry that newbies or people who only visit the server infrequently won't have the confidence to speak up, because it's a hell lot harder to speak up when you're not in the "core" of the community. A rando, as you'd say.
Also because R1 applies to auth, too.
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Honestly, I'd just recommend in general to try and complete as many sidequests as you can. Just go through the game location for location, talk to everyone. (Or check out forum guides if you don't want to do it blind.)
You can get some pretty great items and mons out of it, and you'll never know when even the most niche moves or held items can come into handy.Kudos to you for having an easy time with Charlotte and Hardy, they're actually considered pretty tough by most!
My personal weakness seems to be Shade's gym, consistently so. I don't even know why they always give me trouble, considering I've played the game so many times that I know perfectly well what's coming, but I've yet to beat that one first try lmao.
Titania wasn't much of an obstacle on my regular run, but she's been quite the challenge on most of my monos. I lowkey dread her every time.
Easiest for me were Terra, Samson and Adrienn. I'd almost feel sorry for Terra for solo'ing her with a single psychic type like, every time, if I didn't despise her existence so much.
But yeah honestly? The quest Jace recommended is actually a nice filler if you wanna kill some time. I personally quite enjoyed working on filling the dex. It also makes you explore the region more thoroughly as you try to get the event-exclusive mons, So who knows, you might yet find some corners unexplored.
But it's just overall a very chill task, if you're the type who feels satisfied over hitting milestones.-
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It's the year of our lord 2020 and the phrase "horny on main" has made it into the community rules. Incredible.
Anyway! Three things!
One, I think it would be useful if we could have a linked "clarification" post for more of the rules. The one we have for R4/derogatory language is great, but IMO R7/overtly sexual content and R5/minimodding deserve the same treatment, because it's not entirely intuitive to everyone where the line is drawn.
R7 is probably the bigger of the two, because at times it seems that even auth aren't in complete agreement over what's okay to discuss and what not, and thus far it's seemed like the line of what is considered overtly sexual has been decided more based on situational feelings than clear guidelines in the majority of cases.
Which is to say that beyond the obvious "don't creep people out with your bedroom fantasies and stories", sometimes the chat's been discussing topics related to reproductive health, advice on sexual safety, or sexual orientation, and I think there is a need for space to talk about these.I'm aware you're trying to cover this with the "mature discussion is fine" subpoint, but the problem here is that it's very vague and leaves things up to reader interpretation.
If you're going to allow some discussion related to sexuality, you'll need to outline what, so that there's a clear guide to refer to.
Also: these discussions often can't stay long in lobby, because understandably there's people who do get uncomfortable with them. I would like to know, as an official rule/recommendation, if it would be alright to keep discussions of this nature in #atrium. As long as it stays informative, and as long as people's anecdotes don't veer into detailing their sex life, I believe this should work out. (I would rather not move any of this into the emotional support channel, because the verification hurdle means it is not a free-for-all.)
R5 and the subpoint of not minimodding is another that I think needs some level of clarification.
Firstly because not everyone who's gonna join our community will know the term, so a definition would be bueno.Second because I think that as a community geared towards a more mature audience, we've always relied on some level of self-moderation between users.
I trust most people to have a sensible opinion of what constitutes as minimodding, but from a rule-writing standpoint, you can't.One person may think it's fine for a regular user to remind another "hey, please don't do x, it counts as y which falls under rule z" or "guys, please take this to PMs, we're not allowing this thing on our server", another might already think that's trying to mod.
I think self-moderation is necessary and fine, as long as non-auth don't go around threatening people that they're certainly about to be warned, or anything in that vein, or being bossy about their concerns.So it'd be neat to just have a couple of examples of how to correctly handle a situation vs how not to. Even just a small guide of "say it like this, not like this".
Laaaastly! I think it would be really neat to have a page dedicated to explanations for our channels, or at least some of them.
For example, the difference between #lobby and #atrium, and at which point you should consider switching from one to the other. From what I gathered, initially the atrium was made as a refuge for if lobby got into one of our good ol' debates, so that people who just wanted to chat could have a place to do so while the rest of us go wild.
At other times I've seen it said that it should be the other way round - that people should switch to the atrium if they notice their conversation is turning into an in-depth debate, or just generally dominating the chat.The atrium channel description itself notes that it is indeed where politics talk should go, but it's not quite realistic to expect everyone to have actively checked that before they manage to start politics debates in the lobby.
Tl;dr if someone wants to take the time, I'd love ya for a small channel guide on not-self-explanatory channels. Merci!
PS: Azzie is a cinnamon roll uwu-
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damn how'd i miss out on epic mael beard pics
looks good, man!anyway hi
espeon's still the best eevee tho
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Oh fuck yeah man, it's time
Spoiler@Ice I will put you first every time because you are my number one uwu
No but seriously, just because I tell you every day that I love you doesn't mean I won't say it here too. You're my world, and every day I'm glad I came here and rambled to you about how much i like your characters.ZEL bringing people together since 2010
I could say more because what I feel about you could fill several books, but like. "Oops this is a public thread"
I could gush about you any day tho
@Lost Lore YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW HYPED I WAS WHEN YOU REJOINED US AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ARE A GIFT and let's face it we are both not great at DMs so like, rip. You're still a wonderful person who deserves the best, as much as this literal garbage year denies it, and man i've missed your brand of humor and commentary so much, and I'm glad your spectral kitten is going strong, and anyway! I'm really hoping we'll get the chance to talk more again, because to me Reborn still wouldn't be Reborn without you.
You were one of the first friends I made on here, and always have been one of the people I continued to cherish the most.
Love ya!
I'm bad at sorting these so really I'll just do y'all in the order I remember your forum usernames or smth.
I'm looking half of these up tbh.
@Posty Yo! This is an appreciation thread so I'm not gonna pick on you for this one. But also because there's plenty to be said without falling back on the low hanging fruit :]
You've been an endearing presence in the community imho ever since you became active, and I honestly love and value how lively and cheerful you are, especially since you have a knack for doing so whenever the need for it is greatest. You're a loyal and uplifting fellow, and I can assure you that we all appreciate you a ton. You're one of the most supportive lads we have here, and always with your heart in the right place. Also, you funny af. Bless ya, nerd. Still hope we can hang out for real some day.
@Azeria Ghsfdds I was gonna start this off with saying u smel but I literally JUST wrote abt Posty that i wouldn't bully him here and I am like, totally never a hypocrite ever.
I think the last time we had one of these threads I told you that I was glad to get to know you better, and hey, sure looks like I did, huh? How do you do, fellow edgelord? Honestly I know we joke about it most the time, but I genuinely enjoy how much fun it is to discuss shared interests with you. You're always up for in-depth discussion as much as you are for sending me quality meme shit, and that's the ideal balance.
Beyond that, you're a solid personality. I know we can always count on you to have our backs, and you've only ever been a compassionate and caring friend. Tbh I admire you; you're a lot more ambitious and hardworking than you give yourself credit for, not to mention a smart little cookie. Well, not so little, really. We don't acknowledge that, though. You're like 9. Wait, shit. No bullying rule. Let's be fair. 10. And by that I mean like, a 10 out of 10. :]
@Ojama Yellow god dammit bibs you still make me guess your username every time. Bibs. Bibble. Bobbi. Fellow. You are one of my most favourite people on all of Reborn, and you've firmly earned yourself that spot. And don't you even dare to mentally interrupt me here or I will mentally react to you with the anti self deprecation robot.
You're just like our buddy Az up there in that you give yourself MUCH too little credit for what a good influence you are in our lives. I know that no matter what, no matter when, I can always turn to you and talk and know that you will show understanding and good counsel, and it keeps turning out time after time after time that we share a lot of opinions on a lot of stuff, and that, too, is extremely comforting.
But above all, you're one of the most helpful and kind users this community has, always willing to extend a hand to those who need it, and always willing to speak up for others. You're a constant positive presence and I only wish that one day you'll be able to appreciate yourself even half as much as we do.
You honestly deserve the world.
@Wendel I legally can't say that you smell in this but it's ok because I say that often enough everywhere else.
Bruh, I know you're gonna mock me for all this sappy stuff, but you also know there's no way that'll deter me from it. I value you so much and am so glad we got to meet. It's kinda hard to put into words, but you're a one-of-a-kind friend who I always feel at home with, and who has brightened up bad days more often than I can count.
Between your quirky humor, your openness, your willingness to listen, and your hospitality, there's many blessings to pick from. That you and your family welcome me into your home so often means the world to me, and gdi this whole quarantine sucks for making me miss you even more now that I haven't seen you in months.
I always know I can be myself with you, and that you don't merely tolerate me. And I can only hope that I can manage to make you feel just as comfortable around me, because you deserve that comfort.
Gonna hug ya so hard next time. ...Not that this is a threat, as my twig arms stand no chance.
@Ironbound The further I get on this list the harder it becomes to not break my no bullying rule, this is so tempting. Maybe just a little bit? Nerd. Super Nerd.
But hey, at long last someone on here who I don't have to tell to stop self-deprecating as much as the rest. I know this year has been incredibly stressful on you, though, so I hope you will be able to continue walking this life with confidence.
You're a trusted friend, I know that I can count on you for advice and insight any time, and it's certainly been an educational few years with you so far. ...On both ends, of course, because someone's gotta teach you the curses of the world :3
Jk jk, but seriously, you're a gem. Your outspoken honesty and commitment to figuring out how to make the world a better place are much appreciated and a breath of fresh air in a time like this. I have nothing but respect for you, and hope we will be able to call each other friends for a long, long time to come.
Please don't actually kill everything for good measure, though.
@Marcello Yo! Up until relatively recently we haven't had all that many opportunities to talk to each other very much, but I've had the luck to converse a little more with you these past months now, eh? You're that upbeat chipper dude whose DMs one loves to come online to, even the ones that aren't cool swans.
Always admired you from a little afar for being the ambitious nerd you are, and for how calm and collected you can stay in the face of conflict.
If you end up anywhere close to Germany, you can bet your ass I'm gonna come over and hang out!
@MintMan KYLE KYLE KYLE KYLE KYLE
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But for real? Ily. I don't know how you manage to be the epitome of an absolute sunshine boy when you don't even hold back on your worse days, but you somehow are. You're like, 100% authentic ray of sunshine, without ever seeming to feel the need to bottle up that life isn't all sunshine. You have an uncanny ability to brighten up the mood and lift everyone's spirits, and that's a gift.
Fuckin' amazing fella. Would pick up my sword and fight customers at your side as your loyal ally.
@Ruby Red It's been a few years now and I still can't get over how funny it is to me that I saw the first fanart you posted in the reborn tag and was immediately able to say "wait that's the person who drew the cute silvally and gladion art" dyjdhsf. You practised so hard and your art has improved so much, but your style was always recognizable and cool af.
And honestly I'm so glad I managed to keep enough confidence together to get to know you better. You're a treasure and I am glad to see you thrive. You've thoroughly earned yourself all the good things ever, so i hope they keep on coming. On the occasions that we get to do things together it's always a blast, like damn you're such an enjoyable presence. Also the no. 1 art memer sdjhfgds.@Azzie You've got to be one of my most favourite additions to the community in recent years. Where do i begin? Your boundless kindness, enthusiasm and optimism? The welcoming attitude you bring forth towards everyone who joins us? How you always seem to make a conscious effort at making others feel happy and accepted? You're a blessing to this place. While I certainly often have my worries about whether or not your own wellbeing is strained by being an absolute angel to everyone else, I can only say that I think there are many, many people here who appreciate your efforts to the deepest.
And I mean. Even if you didn't go to all those lengths? You're just such a genuinely fun, lively person to be around! Talking to you about characters, and art, and games, and... well, everything, is always a blast that wakes the rambling beast inside me as well, pffft. You're so passionate about your hobbies, it's contagious. Never stop talking to us about writing, like, ever.
If the following get a bit shorter then it's only because I haven't known you for as long, but hey! You're here! I am very much thinking about you!
@Cerise I only very recently (like PAST MONTH RECENTLY) got to interact with you, and I'm already happy about it! You're right on board with Azzie up there for people who I could listen to abt characters and art for forever, because I love to see the amount of enthusiasm you're pouring into it.
You've got this bubbly, upbeat disposition, so like, you've grown on me super quickly.
Also, you've got the gotdam cutest art style and every minute that I'm not looking directly at it is a wasted minute.
Also shoutouts to @Kurohada Raiga @chxxo @Abyssreaper99 @Hellscythe uhhhh forgot anyone? Sorry for no individual paragraphs and stuff, but you're here so I can tell you that I don't yet know you enough to be super wordy about it, but well enough to have determined that you're cool, and that I like seeing you around and think you're great to talk to. And that if enough time is given to all of us to be in this community together, I'll be happy to get to know you more.
I think I've gotten to know a bit more about Brave than the rest of you already, partially, of course, because of his patented talkative nature, but you're all stars.
Without pings because hell if I know if y'all still check here: Hycrox, Njab, Baz, Spine, Colin, Ete, Aika, Lía, PT - I could've appreviated that to "ey TP" i guess, but you matter individually. UwU. I'm glad I got to meet all of you extremely radical people thru this place, and hope you know that I have a lot of appreciation in me for you specifically, both as people and as a group.
Thanks for being my wonderful friends, and I hope I get to meme with you sinful bastards for many years to come.
Whats that, end of the list but with PingsTM?
Idk , it's got to be because I have something To Say.
@Arkhi Can't believe u beat me to bringing this up on here smh but yeah! It's kind of weird to think that we TechnicallyTM have known each other for a few years already, but we never really had any particularly deep verbal exchanges, did we? Lots of jokes, but not that many opportunities for serious discussion that'd have allowed us to explore the other's personality more profoundly. But I want you to know that you've been sort of a rolemodel on here for me for ages. You were easily one of the best auth I've seen on here, and even as,, not-an-auth you're always one of the most level-headed and responsible people in any given debate. And you're just a really cool guy overall! Always the right person for a pleasant chat, really. I'm super down for talking to you more, though i suspect one reason that didn't happen before is partially because we may not have a huge lot of shared interests. But yknow, nothing wrong w a casual acquaintance! :]
@Zumi Idk if this is a Valid ReasonTM for a ping but I do kinda wanna single you out from a generic "thanks auth for existing" sentence. We've never actually had any personal convos or smth so maybe this is unexpected, but you're one of those people who I always considered to be one of the biggest positive influences on the community, and you're yet another one for my list of fav auth because honestly, you're a levelheaded and eloquent person who has a good handle on how to defuse negative situations.
But that's not even what i set out to say snhgfjdsdf I just wanted to drop you a compliment for how much fun it's been to see your artistic progress throughout the years, because I'm absolutely a fan, and you also deserve a thanks for having taken over as a Hangry Gaems host because it's always fun as fuck, and I'm hyped for the summer party.
Also one day I'm gonna have to see that flower parade in person, every time you post about it I experience secondhand hype.There's more wonderful people I'm sure but look I've had this tab open since last night, this is getting out of hand
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1 hour ago, Amethyst said:
Except last years' winners, Jan, Zumi and ZEL. They cannot be nominated because they are too cool for your noms.
well you know what that means, lads
we can nominate azery againthat aside, reborn risk sounds lit, count me in
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I went thru the struggle of remembering my password for the forums just so I could log on and tell you that I'ma kick your ass
...Which actually is to say ily and fully understand what you mean about feeling the need to detach from this place, so you do you, I respect your choice, whether it'll end temporary or permanent.You're one of a kind in the best (but also slightly cursed) way possible - I'll sorely miss the frequent interactions with you on lobby.
But for what it's worth, I know where to find you. That's a threat and a promise.
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It must feel anxiety inducing to work on the episode for so long and knowing that people are waiting without really seeing as much of the work as you do. But bar the odd person out, I'm sure most of us are perfectly patient waiting for the release ♥ There's a lot of content to be done and we know it's gonna be worth the wait - especially if it means you guys can do it at a reasonable pace.
Game's been in development for a long time, we can take whatever time is left. Thanks for y'alls hard work, really~
gib magnezone next-
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I mean, ZEL the Magnezone is actually a member of my main reborn team....Minus the PULSE item, that is. That's just for the rule of funny.Also Re: the whole Heather thing, that's actually a pretty common opinion I've seen in the community, somehow. I think people play the game and kind of forget to take into consideration that this angry, bratty child was
- raised by a single father who was unable to keep his grief for his wife from interfering with his care for their daughter, resulting in a mixture of emotional neglect and overprotectiveness- then had to witness as said father was revealed to have worked for a terrorist organization
- then live through said father taking his life, without ever even revealing to Heather why he did any of what he did, pretty much leaving her with the above revelation as her final memory of him
- then was taken into the orphanage against her will and subjected to unwarranted and poorly executed electroshock "therapy"
- and finally, tricked into believing she found a guardian in Blake, only to find out he's the one causing the suffering in Ametrine that she was working against, and get kidnapped and locked in a freezing shed
She's 12 years old.
She's a literal child whose brain isn't equipped to deal with this much trauma, especially not without a therapist and supportive guardians.
Shoutout to Cain for volunteering to be that, but it's not exactly a surprise she doesn't trust some random stranger. (And, y'know, then she does decide to trust someone and he turns out to be another Meteor member, lol.)-
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4 hours ago, ShogokiX said:
Also apparently ZEL is a Magnezone now....(literally among the first things he says this episode...."they fused into a Pokémon")
you called?
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6 minutes ago, Candy said:
tbh when I played the game I was like "savage? oh ok" and forgot about him but now I'm wondering who this savage is and if we'll get to meet him lol
Savage was a challenger from the old RL reborn league who became something of a meme for trying repeatedly and failing to beat Shade - because his team couldn't touch Shedinja.
(The league had restrictions on changing your teams, especially mons and moves, so unless you were willing to restart at badge one, you were stuck with a team.)
He eventually did actually beat him, but it took him a lot of tries and he's not actually some Important Plot Point in the game or anything, it's just there for the joke. But if you remember, Ame talked in a patreon post about a promise she gave the champions of the old league~
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Wow I can't wait to find out who that diary was about
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1 hour ago, Cool Girl said:
I want to say a huge thank you so much to Ama for nominating me for this award!
Yeah I sure did that
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4 hours ago, MintMan said:
Most Likely to Die First in a Killing Game
Nominees: AmaSee, this is how you know someone hasn't been around when we had our Hunger Games hype a few years ago :]
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I am a simple man
I see art of Fern, I slap that like buttonIt's so cool to see more of your art, your style is to die for tbh. ...If we all pretend we yet have to be converted to the Fern side, does that mean more art of him? Hypothetical question, of course :]
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"Wait, what's a Himbo?" - the himbo award winner, inevitably
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2 minutes ago, Thebossgummy221 games said:
Just letting you know, spearow learns roost at level 32 and drill peck at level 36. Reborn still uses the USUM moveset.
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1 hour ago, GreatNinja said:
(I don't count that stupid bird.)
The tragic part is that Fearow would've been a much better help to him in the earlygame so far than the Pidgey line with its horrendous movepool lol
Not to mention that if he had trained up his Spearow at the current point, he could easily have delayed the evolution and gotten Drill Peck at 32 and Roost at 24
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Quite frankly I'd find it preferable to leave that stuff out or keep it at "the game is based around a former online league and its leaders".
Maybe it's just because it's coming from someone who is very much unconvinced by the whole "real life incidents" claim, but I don't see how it'd add value to ttar's playthrough. At most it'll what, make him awkward about how to talk about and handle the characters because he'll be worried about being disrespectful?
The whole narrative is kind of a can of worms I'd rather leave on the shelf ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2 hours ago, ToDie said:
What is the problem of losing relationship points?
They're meant to unlock mostly postgame content, but some characters' relationship points also influence certain story bits - for example your point amount with Titania and Amaria changes some of their interactions with you in E17.
All in all it's not exactly a problem if you don't care, and it's literally impossible to max out everyone's points in a single playthrough anyway because some of them are mutually exclusive. But if you're interested in getting certain game paths/postgame content you'll want to keep track of your points with the characters involved.
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Man's suffering.
But I decided he deserved it when he dissed Ducklett zzz
I have a soft spot for Swanna and will not stand for the slander
I'd be absolutely on board with him doing a normal playthrough of Reborn, but so far I've also liked watching him play by nuzlocke rules. Just wanna see him play the way that makes him happy. I'd hate for him to quit nuzlocking just because people pressure him to, but I also don't want him to stubbornly continue it if he'd really rather just enjoy the game in normal mode.It's a decision he has to make for himself.
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I'm living for Yashio's fanart ngl, been so happy they've drawn three
well technically fiveof my faves already now
Generally super cool to see how much art people are producing for this playthrough.
2020 Winter Revel Reveal
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Realizing we can no longer nominate Azery for smelliest auth was one of the most earth shattering turning points in my entire life and I'm not yet sure how to emotionally respond to it.
Might actually join in on the secret santa this year, though!