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That's not necessarily in our own best interest. What if he's the Tr-
34 minutes ago, LykosHand said:I was the trapper
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Lol, mate, let me give you a hug.
At least go down a hero. Who do you think might be the Red Cult's leader? Make my life easier.
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The statistics are worth noting.
We are 11 in total.
4 are cult
1 is vig
1 is granny (still not visited, except for Aido (probably))
Total: 6/11 (:eyes:)
As for the remaining 5:
I know Bok is the celebrity. I don't know if he's culted or not.
Same applies for Jelly and his status as the Drunk.
Same applies for Sopheria (and red cult) and her status as the Cop.
Either way, they are not the cult leader(s).Between Jelly and Sopheria, only 1 of them can have been turned yesterday.
I'm pretty sure we don't have a Mayor or a Dreamer.
The Dreamer has given no info, ever, thus I believe they were either culted early, or is a very inactive person (like Amber)
Since Amber is quite inactive, I doubt they have been culted yet. They are def not the cultist, because that person has been active.
Given no cult has tried to reach me, they are afraid of the Trapper. Thus I believe this person was still active till N3.
As for the Lovers, I'm afraid Kiet's alone in this. If he isn't, the other lover should come out NOW, and visit each other during the night.Kiet, focus.
The Red Cult had only 1 person last Day Phase. All they could do was Recruit.
They don't have an Apprentice yet.
The Blue Cult has an Apprentice, because they didn't die along with Alistair.
Sopheria has given us Lykos as the Blue Apprentice. We lynch him today, and I shoot Nicki, to ensure she's not going to cult me.
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I don't think he could be the Red one, based on what I wrote above.
However, I'd like someone to check my logic, because I just thought of it, and am yet not 100% sure.
[Eliminate] Lykos+Hand
Damn you Lykos, the moment I doubt myself, people find you guilty again -
BLUE CULT
Scenario1
N0: Recruit
N1: Upgrade recruit into Apprentice
N2: i) Recruit
ii) Upgrade Spy into Assassin
Scenario2
N0: Upgrade Spy into Apprentice
N1: Recruit
N2: Upgrade Recruit into Assassin
Given they didn't perish with the dead of Alistair, they spent 1 night into upgrading a member into Apprentice.
@Bazaro if the Cult Leader is killed by the vigilante, do they get a chance to do their NA? (Recruit or Upgrade)?
If they don't, then the Blue Cult has 2 members (Leader + Spy OR Leader + Recruit)One of those 2 scenarios happened.
RED CULT
N0: Recruit
N1: Recruit
N2: Recruit
Given I've killed the Watcher N0, we lynched the Spy D1, and we found 2 recruits dead now, this is the only possible scenario for this cult.
Right now they are 2, unless Jelly blocked the leader.
I hereby ask the trapper (if applicable) to keep watch at my house. No need for doctor yet.
I believe the first Red Cult Leader to be Nicki. Obviously, one of her recruits was the Mayor, most likely, Anti.
I'd place an early vote on her, but we should definitely bring all our cards to the table.
They can't have got both @Sopheria and @Jelly
We can lynch Lykos today, and I'm shooting Nicki
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5 hours ago, NickCrash said:
Based on their votes, if Ali or Jelly are cult, then they definitely aren't in the Red one.
Ali could have easily diverted attention away from Bean and saved his ass during N0.
Besides, I could always take him down tonight, if I wanted to. That ought to clear all discrepancies.
Past self knew what's up.
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As for this part
9 hours ago, Bok Choi said:Sophiera needs to elaborate before I decide whether to believe that claim or not.
She has soft-claimed cop. What else do you need her to say?
Another thing I want to bring up is that unlike what Nick claims, it's totally possible for there to be a cult assassin by N2. (If I misread Nick's claim, correct me)
Take this chain of events:
N1: The cult leaders promotes either a spy or watcher to an assassin.
N2: Said assassin shoots, and cult leaders recruits.
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And I just got confirmation from Baz that spies and watchers can be promoted so in light of this info I'm not sure Nick can be confirmed innocent just yet (Nick could have shot night 1 and been recruited night 2. Another possibility is a now-recruited vigilante shot N1, was recruited N2, and Nick is on said team).
I think it's worth mentioning I didn't consider any cult would not recruit N0.
I proposed what I thought to be the most effective.Vitality is of outmost importance, not only because it's a safe strategy, but because I've been killing them 2 days now.
As Kiet pointed out, there are 2 ways this plays out (effectively), and they both lead to the cult being unable to kill till N3-N4.
If what you suggest is a possibility, then the cultist would upgrade the watcher, as the spy is a very powerful tool he has.
Given I've killed both watchers so far, I don't think either cult went that route.
Given I've killed a Blue cultist in N1, I can't have been recruited by them in N0.
At the end of the day, I can't stop you from voting me.
I can stop you from voting me again, but that's a whole different story.Let's focus on the actual suspects and stop seeing ghosts, shall we?
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You are doing the same thing you're accusing Ali of. Casting shade on me, and simultaneously defending me.
I will only point out that you are trying to accuse multiple people of being scum, based on the votes alone. Take a step back and think: would this be the way a cult would operate?
The funniest thing is that you accuse me of being scum or potential scum, yet you follow my plan. Isn't that action a self-refutation of your arguments?
Based on their votes, if Ali or Jelly are cult, then they definitely aren't in the Red one.
Ali could have easily diverted attention away from Bean and saved his ass during N0.
Besides, I could always take him down tonight, if I wanted to. That ought to clear all discrepancies.
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I came here for cop(per), but I found gold.
1 hour ago, Sopheria said:i can confirm jelly is drunk, and that alistair is a cult leader
thats why i was asking jelly to visit alistair every night
This came out of nowhere.
Tbh I wouldn't put it past Jelly to roleblock Kiet just for the laughs.Thing is, Soph, you'd also get which cult he leads, right? No harm telling us.
@Jelly Just because I enjoy typicalities: Please confirm or deny.
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We can always make the lynch be between Nicki and Anti.
It doesn't have to be Jelly.
Damn you Lykos. As soon as I suspect you, you appear towny again -
It seems you misunderstood me. No worries. I can always explain myself.
I've been good in killing people so far, and I intend to continue doing so.
For example, if Nicki flips cult, I'll kill Lykos next. And you'll know it was me. uwu
In both scenarios, the safe one (I posted), and the more risky one (you did), the end result is the same:
The cults can't kill until N3-N4.
So if you see dead people, it means it was the vig, aka moi
If I stop doing that, before N3-N4, aka before there's an Assassin, it means I've been converted.
Right now, since we have no better leads, I suggest we follow the plan.
THE PLAN (tm)
01. Force a double lynch with Nicki and Nicki's vote. Her vote will be the deciding factor.
02. If Nicki is cult, she's not the mayor. Thus Double Lynch and kinda win.
03. If Nicki is mayor, we confirm her, and lynch whom she suspects. Also win.
04. NIGHT
05. I have 24 hours to decide whom to kill. Hopefully I don't go for the Lovers or the Granny (that would be the worst case)
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Ok Nicki's claiming Mayor.
i) Do we have counter-claims?
ii) Can we tie the votes against what Nicki votes, so that we can verify if she still has the 2 votes? @cicada would you agree with this plan?iii) If you have 2 votes, why feel cheap about a bw with 4 in total? It should be easy to turn it around. Simplest solution: go back to point ii and tie the lynch with Lykos.
(or whomever else, really. All I need is a night target)
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1 hour ago, cicada said:
How do you know this? There's nothing in the flavour text of the posts to suggest they have or haven't found the Granny? This sort of implies that you might know more than what you are letting on.
I am a masked Vigilante, who has already killed The Watchmen.
No need to pretend that roleclaim wasn't obvious enough. The granny hasn't killed anyone yet. She still holds the shotgun close...waiting.
Granted, I got Astra by chance, but Arch's mannerisms indicated newbie mafia trying to cover up their tracks.
I'm pretty tired right now to post a lengthy and well-structured response as to why I suspect you two. I promise I'll come back to this tomorrow.
Now, as for why I'm doing this.
I believe the most beneficial mafia strategy to be the one I posted above. This means I still get 2 nights of free kills before they start hunting me (and other threats), down.
Getting me culted is a waste of nights. You know I'm no longer the vig, as soon as I stop killing. Thus I'll be lynched.
i) When against another cult, with fewer people than them, the win-rate drops
ii) With fewer people to cult, when the only cult remaining, the win-rate drops.
That of course doesn't mean we can't be extra safe and get me periodically trapped or healed from N3 on.
As indicated, demonstrated, and stressed by yours truly enough already, I want to play this game with Role Claims.
Since I've started the wagon on you, and am trying to put you on the hot seat, all you have to do is satisfy my curiosity.
The quicker you do that, the more time others have to counter-claim if need be.
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Correction: 1 (blue) spy is still alive.
The Red Cult knows 1 of our roles
The Blue Cult knows 2 of our roles
Neither have found the Granny yet.
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[Eliminate] Nicki
Those in favor of pushing the most voted people into a roleclaim please back up this vote.
Because of Arch's behavior, I believe that either Nicki or Lykos is the Blue Cultist
Naturally, this is not a solid accusation, and I'd much rather a Cop or a Dreamer could back me up on this one.
If one of them turns Blue, it's possible the other will as well.
Both spies are still alive. This means that they already know 2 of our roles. It's going to help them fakeclaim easily if we don't organize ourselves better.
Now, a little thought of mine in my Notepad:
MOST BENEFICIAL MAFIA STRATEGY
N0: Recruit
N1: Turn recruit into apprentice
N2: Recruit
N3: Turn new recruit into assassin
N4: Recruit + First KillIf you stop seeing dead cultists, assume I'm converted.
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That's a lot of interesting thingies happening. I am perplexed, and thus excited.
@Bazaro thanks a lot, mate.
[Unvote] Kiet
[Eliminate] Nicki
I request to be trapped tonight.
Petition for roleclaims. Everyone put to the podium ought to claim one role.
I reckon if at least 8 agree, we can put this into action immediately.
The ones questioned right now are Bean and Nano.
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Please verify what Kiet claims. It looks like some people just took him on his word.
Placeholder vote
[Eliminatrix] Kiet
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@Nano4 I don't follow.
Is the Mayor not a role assigned from the start? I don't think we vote for them. You are actually voting to lynch Caimie, right?
Note: I didn't participate in the previous cult wars game.
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That's probably what Bok, Kiet, Ali meant.
Typically, in this club, we are open and helpful to newer members, so everyone is discouraged from N0'ing them.
So, they deduce, and I agree, that Aido's death was most likely his own doing.
Now, as for the rest, Kiet has made the smartest townclaim so far.
The only two roles that roleblock are the Mason, now dead, and the Drunk.
As the Mason most likely died due to granny, they can't have picked a cult and roleblocked them.
The roleblocker knows if they have gone for Kiet or not. Thus, if they hadn't, they can call him out.
Of course, this mere act neither confirms nor denies Kiet's alignment.
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You know the rules.
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1 minute ago, Alaris said:
The ground is trembling.
New title: "What Lurks Bean"
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25 minutes ago, Chickens said:
Cause all PrIoR ExPerieNce in LyNchIng Me DiDnT tuRn Iut well
As well As attempts ToIgnOremE
That's a broken chicken right there.
Every coffin needs a nail.
[Unvote] Drago
[Eliminate] Bean
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I know you are new to this, but please make an effort to give us your reads on others.
It will help both you (to organize your thoughts) and us to see how you think.
A small mention of who you find scummy and why will suffice.
And no emojis, please.
Cult Wars 2 [Night 3]
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