[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

So leave whatever is paralyzed alive for the entire fight?

Also, Masquerain is first out which cuts Fraxure's attack... so I'd have to use two dragon dances

Managed to beat shelly, not sure if I got lucky or what.

Started with dragonair and a noibat that I randomly caught (shiny) just as a throwaway to avoid the intimidate on fraxure.

paralyze stopped illumise's first move, and masquerain used energy ball on the noibat. IDK why, but noibat got off an air cutter.

Dragonair paralyzed masquerain, and both of them lost their turn, and took another air cutter.
Dragonair hits illumise with dragon rage, illumise uses bug bite, noibat lives with 1 hp, then dies to icy wind from masquerain.

Dragonair uses another dragon rage on illumise, but it got healed. Meanwhile, the newly sent out fraxure uses dragon dance. Masquerain loses turn to paralyze.

Fraxure begins sweeping, being healed by dragonair. Fraxure ended up being 1 shot, but she was down to a paralyzed masqeurain + bugsy.

I double heal dragonair, she drops dragonair to 5/8ths and kills noibat #2.

dragonair uses thunder wave to paralyze bugsy, she drops deino to 1 hp and almost kills dragonair.

I dragon rage them to death as she loses her final turns to paralyzation.

My god RNG finally played in my favor.. I feel so relieved xd

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

MONOTYPE DRAGON RUN

My Team:

Dragonair (34)

No Item

Shed Skin

Nature: Timid

Dragon Rage

Dragon Tail

Thunder Wave

Twister

Deino (34)

No Item

Hustle

Nature: Docile

Crunch

Dragon Rage

Dragon Pulse

Headbutt

Fraxure (35)

No Item

Unnerve

Nature: Lax

Dragon Dance

Dragon Claw

Slash

Assurance

Goomy (32)

No Item

Gooey

Nature: Careful

Dragon Breath

Rain Dance

Bubble

Body Slam

Noibat (33)

No Item

Infiltrator

Screech

Supersonic

Air Cutter

Bite

Man. I've been stuck. So. Damn. Hard. This is like trying to run monosteel into kiki, except this time I dont have an empoleon to carry me, and it's a double battle that spams dazzling gleam + icy wind. I really wanna die. I have no idea what I'm doing at this point.

Fraxure can 1 shot everyone except heather and wormadam with a dragon dance + dragon claw.

Fraxure dies in 2 hits to anything.

Fraxure outspeeds everyone with a dragon dance

Dragonair outspeeds everyone until he gets hit by icy wind.

Goomy is legit useless, been using her to paralyze via dragon breath, Otherwise she does no damage. Decent tank though, could possibly use as a potion bot?

Deino dies in 1 hit.

Noibat dies in 1 hit if they use icy wind or rock slide (anortih) or anything from Heather.

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

Terra, having problems against her Ground types with my mono-steel team. HNNN

Empoleon 71

Surf

Aqua Jet

Hydro Pump

Drill Peck

Defiant

Lucario 68

Aura Sphere

Dark Pulse

Dragon Pulse

Calm Mind

Inner Focus

Magnezone 70

Magnet Rise

Flash Cannon

Discharge

Metal Sound

Analytic

Excadrill 70

Rock Slide

Earthquake

Swords Dance

Sandstorm

Sand Force

Escavalier

X-Scissor

Slash

Iron Head

Reversal

Overcoat

Metagross

Zen Headbutt

Hammer Arm

Bullet Punch

Meteor Mash

Clear Body

In the PC:

Steelix (70ish)

Bronzong (mid 60s)

Forretress (?)

Wormadam (trash coat, ?)

Klinklang(mid 60s)

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

Level up the Bronzong, I had to soft reset until it finally didn't die, it took ~30 tries to get trick room set up, but it worked! I'm more limited however, only being able to use steel types.

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

I beat Charlotte using a bronzong (heatproof) to set up trick room and then sent out Steelix and Escavalier holding hard stones and spammed rock slide. That is mono-steel though...

It would be helpful if you listed your team and any other notable pokemon you have.

IMHO Rain dance doesn't help a ton, the room stays superheated even after you make it rain (which is quite annoying)

You could always catch a piloswine and make sure it knows mist, for some reason, iirc, mist cancels out all other terrain effects.

Other than that I don't really have much advice to offer besides going back a few episodes and picking up a moxxie gyarados to sweep her with.

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

Story time

Steven holds the pokeball of Forretress, who he thinks might be his only hope at beating Samson, who has a team that counters his favorite type of Steel. Steven's team of metal may be strong, but it is no match for the denting blows of Samson's vicious fighting types. Steven throws at Hariyama, starting every fight the same. Steven surprises Samson this time, starting out with forretress, who his horridly underleveled, having sat in a PC for what seemed to it like an eternity. Forretress spun around at the new battle, ready to fight hard for his trainer. Little did he know what was coming. Hariyama jumped up, ready to preform a Heavy Slam onto Forretress. WHAMO! POWERFUL! Forretress was crushed under this Hariyama, and shot Spikes everywhere to get the big thing off of him. Hariyama raised his arms up, and brought them down onto forretress. Brick Break. Forretress fainted from the move, not being able to withstand Hariyama's force. Steven smiled, the plan worked perfectly. Pokeball in hand, he threw it out in front of the crowd. Metagross hummed to life, ready to destroy. Meteor Mash. WHAMO! POWERFUL! Hariyama responded with another Heavy Smash, having the same plan for Metagross as he did for Forretress. He didn't realize Metagross can hit back. Thrown back by the Meteor Mash, Samson used a Super Potion. Out of nowhere, another Meteor Mash onto Hariyama. Samson used another Potion in a vain attempt to save Hariyama from the beating it was receiving at the end of Metagross's furious Meteor Mash. Another one, dropping Hariyama super low. Metagross followed up with a Bullet Punch, finishing off the big brute. Blaziken. Steven withdrew Metagross and Sent out Steelix. Steelix knew the plan, he had been through this many times before. Blaziken kicked, a furious Brick Break. Unfortunately, Steelix was more Sturdy than that, withstanding the blow he dug under the circus, causing rumbles throughout the ground. Blaziken Blaze Kicked in frustration, his opponent having ran from him. The rumbles grew strong, and Steelix dug up from the ground, throwing blaziken into the air, diving back into the ground. Samson used a super potion to heal Blaziken up while Steelix was underground. Blaziken saw it coming this time, and after Steelix emerged, he blaze kicked and finished Steelix off. Steven smiled, Blaziken was weak now. Empoleon, his starting pokemon, had never failed him. Though Blaziken was fast, being pumped up from the battle and his Speed Boost, Empoleon was an Aqua Jet, cutting through the watery air he had made at light speeds, crashing into Blaziken. Blaziken held on from the onslaught, only managing to Blaze Kick Empoleon off of him, which only lasted a second before Empoleon crashed into him again, knocking the fighting chicken out cold. "Return!" exclaimed steven as he withdrew empoleon and sent out Magnezone. Mienshao was Samson's next pokemon, and it was ready for the fight. Brick Break was soming Magnezone wasn't prepared for, and feinted instantly. Meanwhile, Steven had used an ultra potion on Empoleon. He sent empoleon back out, who took off in Aqua Jet, crashing into Mienshao. Mienshao countered with another Brick Break, sending empoleon back into his pokeball, feinted. Geez, Mienshao is tough. Steven sent out Escavalier. Escavalier had a serious look under his helmet, he was ready to kick some ass. Mienshao dashed at him, jumping around with fancy Acrobatics, after making contact with Escavalier once, something stopped him dead cold. He had been slammed by Escavalier's Iron Head, before feinting from the pain. Hawlucha was next. Escavalier was very weak, Mienshao having been a tough fight, his Acrobatics having come close to knocking him out. Steven used a revive on Steelix. Hawlucha hit Escavalier, fainting him. Metagross, you're up. Metagross was prepared, only 2 pokemon left to defeat. Metagross used Zen Headbutt, a slamming attack empowered with his psychic abilities, and slammed into Hawlucha who was trying the same Acrobatics Mienshao had used. "One more Zen headbutt, and he would be out, should I bullet punch to finish him off?" Metagross wondered, when he remembered how Hawlucha could swap places with extreme speed while bouncing off of him in the process, a move he called "U-turn". He prepared a Zen headbutt as he saw Hawlucha preparing to use U-turn, and he suddenly slammed into a much bigger pokemon. Conkledurr, Samson's Ace. Zen headbutt made contact with him, dealing heavy damage. Metagross was faster, and slammed another Zen headbutt into conkledurr, knocking him out. Predicted, and out-smarted. Hawlucha reluctantly flew back out, being the last pokemon Samson had. He tried to U-Turn back and switch with someone else, but it was no use. Clonk! A metallic force slammed into his head, knocking him cold. A final Zen Headbutt to end the fight. Steven returned Metagross back to his belt of pokeballs, and proceeded to rob samson of his pocket change for some more cotton candy, that shit is good!

tl;dr I won

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

Just randomly trying the fight again and again I've made it to conkledurr, leveled up a few times, and am getting closer with the levels I'm gaining. I think I should be able to beat it. Metagross can halfhealth the conkledurr at level 64 with a Zen Headbutt. Forretress already knows spikes, but not toxic spikes. Considering Klingklang / magnezone are practically useless as they get 1 shot by anything and move last, I might use forretress as a spikes first so that thats that. I think I should be good if I get everything leveled up though. idk if I should spend the heart scale on toxic spikes though I will if I need it to get past

How the fight goes so far:

Metagross kills hariyama with meteor mash, takes a bit of damage ~100 hp left if RNG is good

Steelix faints to Blaziken, but baits out a potion use:

Empoleon 1 shots blaziken with Hydro Pump after potion.

Mienshao wipes pretty much the whole team, finally gets taken out by either Escavalier if he survives the 1 shot, or empoleon if he survives, or metagross if he survives.

Lucario gets 1 shot by metagross, hammer arm -> bullet punch.

Metagross halfhealths conkledurr, conkledurr kills him.

I think if I use some cotton candy / ultra potions wisely, I might be able to win this fight as is

If Metagross levels up enough, I can give him Metal Coat and he can 1 shot hariyama with first move meteor mash, but since he cant with metal coat, hariyama always uses knock off which kills him

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

Samson (EP15)

My Team (MONO-STEEL)

Metagross (62):

(Naive)

(Clear Body)

Hammer Arm

Bullet Punch

Meteor Mash

Zen Headbutt

Escavalier (61):

(Naughty)

(Overcoat)

X-Scissor

Iron Head

Slash

Reversal

Empoleon(61):

(Hardy)

(Defiant)

Hydro Pump

Aqua Jet

Drill Peck

Metal Claw

Magnezone(61)

(Jolly)

(Analytic)

Magnet Rise

Metal Souns

Flash Cannon

Discharge

Klingklang(61)

(Naive)

(Minus)

Gear Grind

Shift Gear

Dishcharge

Brick Break (HM slave, sadly )

Steelix(61)-------(Really want to replace with Excadrill, but cannot go back to get Drillbur )

(Docile)

(Sturdy)

Iron Tail

Crunch

Rock Slide

Dig

I can only use steel types, and I'm pretty much out of Ideas except maybe grinding levels, which is taking forever on the low-leveled wild mons in route 2. Any ideas? (I could grind some levels off of samson himself by failing the battle but killing a few pokemon each time, but I'd lose a HUGE chunk of cash doing that, so I would prefer not to)

EDIT:

Kiki also gave me a lot of problems, only beat her by RNGesus and using Protect to make High Jump Kick miss.

I also have more magnemites, a forretress and a wormadam steel coat thingy in the PC. I have 1 Metal Coat that can be held to boost Steel Type attacks.

EDIT2: Just noticed I also have a level 24 Bronzor in the PC. Might be worthwhile?

EDIT3: Just learned you dont lose money when you lose to samson... I thought you did? Well, time to use that to train up

[Monotype Challenge Quick Glance Guide - Episode 18+]

You also did a Steel monotype run? Cool dude Right now I'm on the dark leader, I forget her name.... but I need to grind a few levels on my mons first, just gotta find the time to do so

[Monotype Challenge Quick Glance Guide - Episode 18+]

You can get headbutt from a bidoof reaching level 17

[Monotype Challenge Quick Glance Guide - Episode 18+]

I get back after 5 months of living life being busy, finally summer, see this thread, roll through steel and I see you have forgotten something! (OH NOES)!

No need to fear, I am here to save the day! (Yaaayyy!)

Anyways! Magnemite / Magneton / Magnezone is available in the wild inside of Shade's Gym, not sure when you can first access that, but you can catch those guys as a wild pokemon. Also, I don't know when you can first reach Beldum, but he is also obtainable at some point. I know you haven't gotten to Lucario, but don't forget to include him <3. Thanks!

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

You can go catch a shelmet and trade it for a karrablast in spindle town to get an escavalier, who can easily kill clefable and wigglytuff, and maybe girafarig using iron head / x-scissor

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

Remember, steel types are completely immune to toxic spikes, so a forretress to set up spikes might be of use, although it will be more of a wall... could use it as a break to heal up some of your pokemon mid-battle, forretress is pretty tanky.

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

Thanks, I defeated her, I evolved Flygon so Dragon Claw was OHKO against Dragalge, Blaziken destroyed Drapion and Venusaur, Gengar was OHKO'd by Murkrow (Critical Hit), Nidoqueen couldn't do anything against Flygon, thank you all for the help.

Darn, just as I was about to suggest an all steel type team. Aya is pretty much useless vs. all steel

EDIT: I have a serious question: does Ame pre-set the hidden power types of gym leaders/random trainers? or does the game set their hidden power type? Because I swear, its very odd that EVERY SINGLE ONE of Noel's pokemon have the hidden power type of Fire. Was that pre-determined? or did the game look at my team and say: its all weak to fire? Its insanely frustrating that I should be able to beat him, but any one of his pokemon can 1 shot mine with hidden power, and I keep having to reset to try and get a run where he doesnt use hidden power.

EDIT2: Finally beat Noel, he only used hidden power once >.>

EDIT3: Anyone wanna guess what Fern's Roserade's hidden power type is? >.>

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

I figured out that the AI was using dark pulse because all of my pokemon are steel, and it wont use a move that's "not very effective" so it goes to dark pulse. I was able to finally beat him by starting empoleon, who can tank through 1 dark pulse, and making him use bubblebeam for damage. Then aqua jet, so that he hits first. Change to Steelix, then he holds on with sturdy, and gets off 1 crunch, which happened to lower defense (thanks RNGesus).

Then I swapped out one of my steels for a fairy type that you get for free, can't remember the name. But since dark is not very effective to it, abra uses hyper beam. Then I send in Escavalier, who used X-Scissor to drop abra to red zone (his attack is insane, level 55 and its 211). He was able to tank 1 dark pulse with 9 HP remaining, allowing him to finish abra off with another X-Scissor. Overall, it was just a strategy thing, but thanks for the help .

EDIT: I swear Ame is evil, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF NOELS HIDDEN POWER TYPES IS FIRE. WHY? But seriously, is it somewhere in the script set so that hidden power is always super effective against your team? Because I swear, I'm pretty tired of watching my pokemon get 1 shot by hidden power because "the grass beneath X caught flame". If it came from just one of his pokemon, fine, but when every single one of them have fire? That's pretty frustrating

[The 'That Feel When' topic]

That feel when it's 3 AM christmas morning and what am I doing? Playing pokemon reborn... xD

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

Glad to hear you beat it.. now you have to deal with the fact you won't get a badge so your mons may start to disobey you :]

I went back to reborn city and bought like 10-20 common candies. Hoorah!

TBH, I expected to have a lot more trouble with Cain, but surprisingly enough he only took like 3-4 tries. Kiki though.... omg... I actually backed up my save right before I fought her, just incase I ever get an idea that would make the fight easier, and see if I can try it. If you want me to I could upload the save file and let you have a whack at it ?

EDIT: as for help with charlotte, Rock Slide and Surf are pretty much the best moves in her gym, as they're super effective + hit both people (IIRC it is a double battle? if not, ignore this)

EDIT2: Just had an idea to beat Kiki. Theres someone doing trades again, so I trade from my main to get a Riolu and a Beldum, train them up and Bam, I have a steel/psychic type and a steel/fighting that both have REALLY good stats.

EDIT5: deleted 3 + 4, irrelevant now. As for this one, I am upset about the PULSE abra changes. Before, it was a level 100 abra that uses hyper beam to kill your team, and you get a hit inbetween. NOW, its a PULSE abra that 1 shots my whole team using dark pulse. How am I supposed to beat an abra with dark pulse that has 25 levels on me xD

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

For starters, I think it might help a little if I level up my mons a few times?

Here's how the battle has been going:

Magneton can kill machamp, but is usually left really weak (lower yellow zone / red zone) afterwards.

She then sends out medicham, who kills the rest of my team with High Jump Kick. Maybe one of these times she'll miss and Empoleon can go back to sweeping?

Klang is almost worthless, he's insanely slow and squishy, and gets 1 shot by pretty much anything, and doesn't do much damage in return.

Steelix can survive 1-2 hits, and because of sturdy is guaranteed to hit at least once. Bad thing is, due to medicham's typing, his Crunch isn't super effective, which would help a lot.

I'll list the TMs I have and the poke that can learn them, and see if we can make anything from that?

TM30 Shadow Ball

Wormadam

TM57 Charge Beam

Magneton

TM60 Quash

Empoleon

TM76 Struggle Bug

Wormadam

Forretress

TM77 Psych Up

Magneton

Wormadam

Steelix

TM94

Rock Smash

Forretress

Empoleon

Steelix

HM01 Cut

Steelix

Empoleon

TM96 Nature Power

Steelix

I could also maybe grind for another metal coat to power up steel type moves?

Is there an item obtainable at this point in the game to power up water type moves?

EDIT: gonna be a breakdown of the field effect in a spoiler..

* The following moves stir up ash, lowering all active Pokemons' accuracy one stage:

Special Flying attacks

Twister Fire Spin Leaf Tornado Razor Wind

Whirlpool

I cant use any of these moves, because steel types don't learn them D:

* Fighting types are immune to confusion

Only hinders me, I have no fighting types

* Pokemon with the following abilities ignore accuracy and evasion changes when attacking, unless an opponent has Unnerve

Own Tempo Sand Veil Pure Power Steadfast

Again, useless to me, none of my pokemon have unnerve nor any of those abilities

* Activates Sand Veil, Sand Rush and Sand Force

None of my pokemon have any of those

* The following moves' stat-boosting effect is amplified:

Calm Mind Sand Attack Kinesis Meditate

Only helps Kiki kick my ass harder

* Sand Storm and Sandstream last for 8 turns

Maybe I could somehow get one of my pokemon to learn sandstorm?

* Psych-up cures the user's status

Would only be beneficial if Kiki had any statuses to apply

* Focus Energy boosts the critical hit rate 3 stages (from 2)

Don't have that, only helps Kiki

* The follow moves gain a x2 increase in power:

Mud Slap Mud Shot Mud Bomb

Nope. don't have any of those either.

* The follow moves gain a x1.5 increase in power:

Hidden Power Land's Wrath Surf Muddy Water

Don't have any of those.

* The follow moves gain a x1.3 increase in power:

Zen Headbutt Stored Power Aura Sphere Focus Blast

Again, only helps Kiki

* The follow moves gain a x1.2 increase in power:

Psychic

Why couldn't this effect psyBEAM?

* Nature Power becomes Mediate

Maybe teaching a 'mon nature power so it could use Mediate? Might help?

* Camouflage changes user's type to Ground

Don't have that

* Secret Power may lower accuracy

I have HIDDEN power, so again, this one is useless.

EDIT: I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If forretress or wormadam use protect, WOULDN'T MEDICHAM FAIL HIGH JUMP KICK + CRASH? OMG, TESTING NOW

EDIT2: alright, so it does work, but it is now up to the RNG gods of protect + high jump kick. And my prediction levels. RNGesus pls

EDIT3: RNGESUS IS SO MEAN. I'm about to rip my hair out, I have the potential to beat Kiki with this team, using protect, but the RNG fucks me over every time. EVERY TIME.

EDIT4: I've broken down and grinded some levels. Hopefully levels will solve, I'm thinking if I just put everyone at 44 (right below cap) then I should have an easier time?

EDIT5: Way too many edits D:. anyways, only in pokemon reborn can I get Kiki down to her last pokemon, Lucario, with empoleon still full HP. As my hopes skyrocket, I watch empoleon get ONE SHOT by aura sphere due to the field effect. *flashback to the post where field effects were introduced, noticing that the field effect was HELPING ASH WIN AGAINST GYM LEADER helpful, rather than annoying an obstacle that only makes me angry better as a trainer.

EDIT6: After 4 hours of RNGesus betraying me and not going my way, steven found victory in his steel types. Never. Again. 4. Hours. Of. Soft. Resetting.

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

Gonna need some help with Kiki

Monotype Steel run

Empoleon

Level 44 (Hardy)

Defiant

Metal Claw

Bubble Beam

Aqua Jet

Brine

Magnemite

Level 44 (Jolly)

Analytic

Flash Cannon

Magnet Bomb

Metal Sound

Electro Ball

Klang

Level 39 (Naive)

Minus

Gear Grind

Mirror Shot

Charge Beam

Rock Smash

Wormadam

Level 39 (Docile)

Overcoat

Protect

Psybeam

Hidden Power(Ice)

Bug Bite

Forretress

Level 43 (Rash)

Overcoat

Spikes

Protect

Payback

Bug Bite

Steelix

Level 40 (Docile)

Sturdy

Iron Tail

Crunch

Rock Slide

Sand Tomb

Having a lot of problems with her fighting types D: Not exactly sure what to do >.<...

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

Having some major problems with Shelly, quite frustrating really;

I'm doing a Steel Monotype runthrough; so I'm pretty limited on choice

Currently my team is

Empoleon:

Level 35

(Defiant)

Metal Claw

Brine

Bubblebeam

Aqua Jet

Onix:

(Sturdy)

Level 34

Rock Slide

Stealth Rock

Smack Down

Dragon Breath

Forretress:

(Overcoat)

Level 33

Spikes

Protect

Payback

Bug Bite

Wormadam:

(Overcoat)

Level 34:

Bug Bite

Protect
Psybeam

Hidden Power (Ice)

That's it. Not a full team, but there aren't many catcheable Steel (or things that evolve into steel) types available at this stage in the game. If you know of others, or a way to help, that'd be great

EDIT: Currently wondering if it would be worthwhile to level the prinplup to 36 to evolve it, then use a common candy to get it back down to 35.... seems like an idea...

EDIT2: Went ahead and did it. Stats increased by +12/+13/+13/+19/+15/+6, along with Metal Claw now being a STAB move, giving it 1.5X damage

EDIT3: Well, Empoleon with Defiant valiantly SWEPT PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE TEAM. They kept using struggle bug which lowers his special attack, capped out his physical attack, and he 1-2 shot everything with metal claw. Was GLORIOUS to see the pokemon that had been giving me trouble be instantly dropped to the red zone after hearing *shank shank*

So uhh... I guess I solved my own problem. Feels pretty satisfying, to be honest. Thanks anyways

[Official Gym Leader Help Thread]

@arision1

What other pokemon do you have in the PC (if any?)

EDIT: For starters, would it help if you leveled up your Grimer to match the levels of your other pokemon?