Salem Reborn

[Daniel Blackworth]

9 minutes ago, Lord Drakyle said:

A hunch huh, enough reason to vote someone for lynching in a desperate time like this? if Amine gets lynched and flips town if you are still alive i will vote you to follow him to the grave, I don't rely on a hunch

 

On that note i do think the veteran at the very least should roleclaim so there isn't more town dying from investigating them with that in mind @Jason Grace If you agree with this view would you mind sharing your thoughts on who our popular veteran is?

L'Belle, Amber, Jace, and Newt all died from visiting the Veteran. This means the Veteran must be someone worth visiting (investigated, spied, and distracted). I think that this Veteran is Nicki for the following reasons:

 

(1) Among all the players, she's the one who is most experienced in Town of Salem. 

(2) She has a good level of playing as mafia. It'd be best to investigate/spy her right from the start while the mafia block her from putting her ability to good use.

(3) All of these players like/are associated with Nicki to a certain extent, and most often, players target those whom they know of in the early phases of a game.

[Lord Drakyle]

1 minute ago, Jason Grace said:

L'Belle, Amber, Jace, and Newt all died from visiting the Veteran. This means the Veteran must be someone worth visiting (investigated, spied, and distracted). I think that this Veteran is Nicki for the following reasons:

 

(1) Among all the players, she's the one who is most experienced in Town of Salem. 

(2) She has a good level of playing as mafia. It'd be best to investigate/spy her right from the start while the mafia block her from putting her ability to good use.

(3) All of these players like/are associated with Nicki to a certain extent, and most often, players target those whom they know of in the early phases of a game.

I guess that would make sense though i think i would have to hear what @cicada has to say about it too.

That said what crimson said trying to read it is difficult and it's hard to follow, it doesn't help much that hypurr isn't defending themself much so it's hard to gleam anything from it for me i just don't think i trust either of them really hypurr isn't defending themself and crimson well...they aren't claiming an investigative role yet are 100% sure someone is mafia? i don't fully trust that kinda thing

[cicada]

Learn to keep off my lawn, ye’ whippersnappers! Hello, yes. I am the popular veteran.

 

Veteran is still town 100%, so don’t lynch me pls!!! Also Veteran is the Town Killing role. There might be a Vigilante in the setup but I have no idea, sorry.

 

Btw, if this is going by ToS itself... if we have an Arsonist, nobody will know they were doused unless they are also an Arsonist (impossible with this setup). We’ll basically know when the arsonist ignites if one exists or not. Nobody can be saved (except other Arsonists).

[Lord Drakyle]

58 minutes ago, cicada said:

Learn to keep off my lawn, ye’ whippersnappers! Hello, yes. I am the popular veteran.

 

Veteran is still town 100%, so don’t lynch me pls!!! Also Veteran is the Town Killing role. There might be a Vigilante in the setup but I have no idea, sorry.

 

Btw, if this is going by ToS itself... if we have an Arsonist, nobody will know they were doused unless they are also an Arsonist (impossible with this setup). We’ll basically know when the arsonist ignites if one exists or not. Nobody can be saved (except other Arsonists).

So basically dont visit you purple sissy-da?  alsois there anything we can do if there is an arsonist and do you think there is one in this setup?

[Bazaro]

Hi I am also le Veteran

[CrimsonDragon21]

Okay seems like i screwed up XD

I asked Nano and it seems like the jailed person can't type in the chats he have, but can read those.

 

So the killing of Bean and Hypurr beeing Maf could be a coincidence or was a big stretch from me.

So now i am not sure anymore, if he really is mafia. So if Hypurr really is town alligned, we already gave Mafia a big lead with us having revealed 3 roles for nothing.

 

So either we really take the risk and lynch Hypurr or we do a massroleclaim just like Hypurr suggested, which will lead us to having a bigger chance of actually winning.

Till now the only ones who roleclaimed were Nicki (Veteran), Hypurr (Doctor) and me (Jailor).

 

[Unvote] Hypurr

[cicada]

Since the Werewolf role works by attacking people on even nights (full moons appear), we’ll know by D3 if there’s a Werewolf or an Arsonist in the setup (since the victims will be mauled to death — basically if WW visits me and 3 others visit me... I will be dead alongside the other 3 who visited me unless I alert).

 

You can visit me and be fine if I’m not on alert. I have 3 alerts that I can use in the entire game. What I did on Day 1 was essentially lure people in to visit me, that’s a common tactic Veterans use on D1 in ToS. Unfortunately, it worked and we lost 2 (or 3, idr sry) townies but we also lost 1 mafia. I wouldn’t have claimed if no one suspected that it was me, but since Maf know I’m vet, because Newt would have probably stated in the mafia chat that he was visiting me, it was better to confirm now. By the way, I cannot be roleblocked. Have fun!

[Lord Drakyle]

Sorry if im kinda useless this game Nicki, this type of setup is way different to what im used to or familiar with so yeah finding it difficult to judge what actions are best to take and relying heavily on asking others for opinions.

[LykosHand]

I mean if we really want to lynch Hypurr, i don't think it's a good idea because we don't have any real proof about Hypurr being mafia and at this point, if we take a wrong step, it's over for us. We still have time to think who could be mafia. 

[Walpurgis]

I'm personally not going to roleclaim just yet but:

1. L'Belle - spy

2. Lia

3. Jace - investigator

4. Bazaro

5. Bean - doctor

6. Nicki 

7. Jason - (strong townlean because he revealed who the veteran was)

8. Lykos

9. Newt - consort

10. Kiet

11. Amber - spy

12. Hypurr

13. Bok

14. Drakyle

15. Amine

 

I know I'm counting myself too but that's 8 more or less confirmed townies out of 9 in total, so there's only 1 townie amongst the other 6 players. 
[Eliminate] Hypurr

Was anyone else roleblocked last night phase, btw?

[cicada]

Newt was the mafia sided roleblocker (Consort), so he tried to roleblock me last night. There may or may not be an Escort in the setup (town-sided roleblocker), but no one can be really sure.

 

Now, a common tactic for SKs (Serial Killer) to do in ToS is reveal that they are a Doctor. This would be another possibility for roles in the setup. However, Hyper would not be the SK because SKs will automatically kill the Jailor if they jail them (ToS only iirc). So it's very possible he is the Doctor. I don't think Hyper would know about this since I'm not sure he plays ToS, but when an Investigator visits a Doctor etc., the three roles that appear are "Doctor, Disguiser, or Serial Killer". It's also slightly possible that he is one of the other two roles (since, as mentioned before, the Jailor would die to the SK they jailed unless the Jailor executed him, which unfortunately they cannot do on the first night). Some trivia for you guys: The Serial Killer will automatically target Consorts or Escorts that visit them and attempt to roleblock them.

 

Since we have 3 random townies and 2 random maf in the setup (Consort being one of them), we don't really know what we're dealing with. There won't be 2 Veterans in this setup, but there could be 2 Doctors...anything really.

Here's the thing, though. Both Spy and Investigator are Town Investigative. That takes up the 2 guaranteed Town Investigative slots and one of the random townies. That leaves room for 2 more random town slots. That means Hyper could be honest with what he's claiming. Since I don't think he has much, if any, experience with ToS, I'm more inclined to think he's innocent. What do you guys think about this?

[Hypurr]

2 hours ago, CrimsonDragon21 said:

So either we really take the risk and lynch Hypurr or we do a massroleclaim just like Hypurr suggested, which will lead us to having a bigger chance of actually winning.

Till now the only ones who roleclaimed were Nicki (Veteran), Hypurr (Doctor) and me (Jailor).

Since the jailor already outed himself which is usually a bad move, might as well narrow down the existing roles and pick the ones that don't add up for the lynching. Regardless of the day's result, tonight, the jailor should put somebody who he suspects the most to the jail and execute them to get rid another scum. If you do spare me, I might be able to guarantee your safety for an insurance, maybe at the cost my life as well.

 

Besides, it's a 5v5 now. What do we have to lose but another night to pass by? I'm pretty sure the town has a good chance on finding a scum now. If it gives you an idea of whom I'm suspecting, I'm pointing my finger toward the ones that immediately went after me as I suggested the massclaiming.

[Lord Drakyle]

1 hour ago, Hypurr said:

Since the jailor already outed himself which is usually a bad move, might as well narrow down the existing roles and pick the ones that don't add up for the lynching. Regardless of the day's result, tonight, the jailor should put somebody who he suspects the most to the jail and execute them to get rid another scum. If you do spare me, I might be able to guarantee your safety for an insurance, maybe at the cost my life as well.

 

Besides, it's a 5v5 now. What do we have to lose but another night to pass by? I'm pretty sure the town has a good chance on finding a scum now. If it gives you an idea of whom I'm suspecting, I'm pointing my finger toward the ones that immediately went after me as I suggested the massclaiming.

Which would include me, i mean i don't blame you for feeling that way but the thing is this ToS style theme is new to me and so tactics are different too, i'm not sure what my best options are and like you said there is a higher chance of getting a non town player so i don't feel like claiming my role when i can't even prove the role i claim to be mine, it's all too easy for someone else to say they have the role and with no one who can vouch for either me or this hypothetical counter claimer it would be my word against theirs but i can already expect you would vote me as you would already have reason to want to distrust me,  all i can say is, i have no ill will against the town and leave it at that. I'll reveal my role later if things seem like it would become more beneficial at that point but not just yet sorry.

[cicada]

Here's what I can tell, based on the information we already know (see the server for a list of the roles in the game). This information might help you guys so we can all work together to determine what roles are in this game. I know people can look on the site, but I feel it's best to provide a list in front of you so you guys don't have to switch between sites and stuff.

Jailor (this is a town killing role, but not the town killing on the list since this one is confirmed). (Kiet claimed with no counterclaim.)

Town Investigative (this could be the Investigator or one of the Spies that we lost, but it could also be the Sheriff).

Town Investigative (see above).

Town Killing (More than likely to be the Veteran, me, but the other town killing roles are Jailor, Vigilante and Vampire Hunter*. Jailor is a unique role so there won't be 2 Jailors in this setup either).

Town Protective (Doctor, could also be a BodyGuard).

Random Town (One of the Spies or Investigator, could also be anything! Literally any of the town roles).

Random Town (see above).

Random Town (see above).

Godfather

Mafioso

Random Mafia (we already know one of these was the Consort)

Random Mafia (Could be another Consort, could be Blackmailer, Consigliere, Disguiser, Forger, Framer, or Janitor. There won't be 2 Mafiosos at once, since this is a unique role).

Neutral Evil (Executioner, Jester, or Witch).

Neutral Killing (Arsonist, Serial Killer, or Werewolf).

Since we've had no other kills, it's unlikely we have a Serial Killer. We'll just need to find out on Day 3 if someone got mauled to death (Werewolf) or not. If no one gets mauled to death that's a possibility of an Arsonist being about.

I've only crossed out the Random Mafia because I'm old and confused (aka I'm not sure where to cross out the Town roles that have died), but since I know Newt was one of the two random Mafia members I could easily cross that one out.

* Vampire Hunters are the least likely to be in this setup, since we have no Vampires (Vampires are Neutral (Chaos) and we don't have any of those in the setup). However, sometimes Vampire Hunters spawn in straight away. Vampire Hunters who have either killed all living Vampires or don't need to (since no Vampires spawn in) will turn into Vigilantes.

 

We can't rule out the possibility of a Vigilante being in the setup yet since Vigilantes on ToS are not allowed to shoot on Night 1. I'd also advise that, if anyone is a Vigilante (obviously keep it to yourself), you take care on who you shoot. The ToS version of the Vigilante has 3 bullets, but they will shoot themselves if they kill an innocent person the night after. They can't be healed/roleblocked if that happens. As far as I'm aware, they won't shoot themselves if they kill neutral roles and I know they definitely won't shoot themselves if they kill mafia.

Sheriff will be able to find all mafia members except for the Godfather, who can only die if he's sent to be lynched (I think the Arsonist/Werewolf can also kill him but I'm not sure). Mafioso will be promoted if the Godfather dies, so if the Sheriff ever finds a mafia member it's best to recheck them if we lynch the Godfather just to make sure.

 

The Unique roles for town are Jailor (Town Killing), Mayor (Town Support), Retributionist (Town Support), and Veteran (Town Killing). Godfather and Mafioso are the Unique roles for Mafia. This means that only one of each Unique role, should they be in the setup, will be alive at any time. (This has already been briefly mentioned but I wanted to give a summary of everything I could think of to help everyone who isn't familiar with ToS or this kind of setup.)

 

If you have any questions, I can answer them to the best of my ability. But I'm not going to do anything that will favour mafia or neutral roles hehe.

 

Now then, we need some more activity. Let's see what happens if I vote someone to get them to speak.

[vote] Bok.

[Bok Choi]

Thanks for the info Nicki~

I'm not going to roleclaim yet because of the werewolf possibility, but I'd be happy to once we can reasonably decide there isn't (or that they're dead).

I can't really add anything to Nicki's analysis, she's covered pretty much everything. 

I would like to suggest protecting Kiet, however (but ultimately your decision Hypurr, if you are the doctor). The Jailor is important now that we've lost this many powerful town roles, and Nicki is somewhat protected by her role (I doubt the mafia/neutral parties are suicidal).

I also want to suggest definitely writing some information in your last wills if you have information you haven't shared. It could be very helpful if you suddenly up and die before you can share your findings.

I'm inclined to believe Hypurr innocent for now, so my vote will go to Amine for being the only one not to respond to a vote on them (and also being the only one not to have posted yet).

[Vote] Amine

[cicada]

Oh, one more thing I forgot to mention. Your roles are safe being revealed. The Werewolf of ToS simply visits one person at night (he used to be able to stay at home and kill anyone who visited him, but now he has to go out to people) and he will kill that person, alongside anyone else who visits the same person the Werewolf does. On nights where the full moon is up, I'm pretty sure the Sheriff can find a Werewolf. Otherwise they'll just find them as innocent. I'm unsure if there is such a role in ToS that can guess roles and kill (and if they are, they're in the Coven expansion. Fortunately, there aren't any Coven Expansion roles in this game) but I'm leaning towards there not being such a role.

 

Investigators can also check if there's an Arsonist in the game, since anyone doused will appear as "Bodyguard, Godfather, or Arsonist" instead of the role they have. Unfortunately, it looks like the list we have and role claims we have mean it's likely there isn't another Investigator, but there's always a chance.

 

@Bok Choi Do you feel more comfortable revealing anything?

[Nano4]

the half day report is here

 

Votes on Hyppur: lia
Total votes on hypurr: 1

 

Votes on amine: hypurr, bok
Total votes on amine: 2

 

Votes on bok: nicki
Total votes on bok: 1

 

@IkeSmasher_xX you need 2 posts to meet the post requirements or you get a warning

 

 

reminder: 6 votes are needed to put someone on trial

 

while the trial is happening the day will be paused until it is over

 

while they are on trial you vote [guilty], [abstain], or [innocent]

 

if someone is lynched the day automatically ends, if they are pardoned you have 2 trials left

[Bazaro]

Oh, that's how this works

 

[eliminate] Amine

[Walpurgis]

Why Amine when he hasn't said anything yet. 

[LykosHand]

Eh that's the problem, Amine hasn't said anything for now, so i guess that they are voting him only for making pressure and force him to talk. I honestly suspect a bit Amine too but there are already three votes on him and it's enough to make him speak in my opinion, so i will go with my second suspect...for now. I will looking forward at what Amine will say if he will do a post and i will change my vote obviously if Amine will be more suspicious at my eyes.


[Eliminate] Bazaro

[Hypurr]

3 hours ago, Walpurgis said:

Why Amine when he hasn't said anything yet. 

Why jump on the bandwagon and defend a specific person.

 

[Unvote] Amine

[Vote] Lia

[cicada]

I personally have very strong town vibes from Lía right now. She's hard to read, but I feel like she's genuine and town. I appreciate her thoughts for Amine, though. In ToS, we generally want to keep an eye on players who seem "inactive", but unless we have solid evidence on them, we don't want to get rid of them since we're more beneficial in numbers.

 

I've had a few whispers, I won't reveal anything contained in them, but I've had the chance to think about a few things. Since the game is on hold right now, I'm not going to shift my vote, but I wanted to give some thought into this as someone who has had experience with ToS. I might change my vote when the game continues, but it's staying where it is for the moment since the people who are getting voted are people who I'm either townreading (Lía) or are ones that are currently inactive and I don't really want to vote for either.

[Bazaro]

Reminder that voting for someone now only puts them on trial, no one dies immediately in this

Pressure vote away!

[Walpurgis]

That's fair I guess, but I still don't see the point of voting Amine of all people. Now we know that he was busy and couldn't pay attention to the game but for all we know he could have been silenced or something. Pressure voting someone that isnt likely to give any kind of response doesn't look like the best strategy when we could be putting that pressure on someone else. 

[Bok Choi]

What's with the serious lack of votes y'all???

We should put someone on trial at some point, and right now we need to get more of us talking. Vote for someone, people.