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[E18 Spoilers]Relationship Variable Guide [DISCONTINUED]

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Oh, god, I'll have to make a new file and do everything from the start. But it's gonna be worth it, I think.

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Ha, be good to Fern, said noone ever. Seriously, who would do these?

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+1: get on your knees and beg to Fern
+1: get on all fours and claim to be an inferior trainer to Fern
+1: swear to never get in Fern's way again
+2: say you'll never be as popular or talented as Fern

 

 

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So I was just PM'd with the info that Ame said there were more relationship points added after the beta. Since the beta is when I checked for this info, I will need to check to see which points were added. I'll do so when I have time, and I'll let you know when I update the OP with those points.

 

EDIT: Also, Ame said "

When I say that catalog isn’t entirely accurate, it’s because you don’t lose points with people like Bennett just by beating them… Rather, it depends on if you beat them on your first try or not.

* I believe you always lose points after beating Terra no matter rwhat  but that’s because I consider that grouped together with her puzzle. You gain points with her by interacting with things in Glitch City, and then you lose a fixed number… so whether you have a net gain or loss is dependent on how much you play in her world. "

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On 12/4/2016 at 10:29 PM, Ice Cream Sand Witch said:

Nothing as of right now. They'll most likely be for late game or postgame sidequests, according to Ame.

So does that suggest that Amaria will regain her memory and that Eve and Lumi will somehow be around for the postgame?

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Corrected the number of points added for a variable with Cal. 

 

Refusing to give Blake the Ruby Ring is +2, not +1. I'm not sure if an extra point was added after the beta or if I wrote it down wrong to begin with, but it's been fixed now. Thanks to Kim for letting me know. 

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On 12/6/2016 at 6:40 AM, Ice Cream Sand Witch said:

No, they're not retroactive. Ame said it's impossible to make it where pre-E16 save files get them because you'd have already done the events that give them before those events gave them.

 

 

Would it be possible to make some kind of interview where the player answers questions about what happened during their journey and the choices give the respective characters their relationship points?

 

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what does WTC mean

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1 minute ago, nepeta100 said:

what does WTC mean

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Water treatment center.

 

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Hey just a question!

 

Where do you get to choose to fight Solaris with either Julia or Florinia? For me, it's always been the former. What determines who you battle Solaris with?

 

Thanks!

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1 minute ago, Kim said:

Hey just a question!

 

 

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Where do you get to choose to fight Solaris with either Julia or Florinia? For me, it's always been the former. What determines who you battle Solaris with?

 

 

Thanks!

If you beat Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain, you fight him with Julia. If you lose, you fight him with Florinia.

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Oh! That seems like such an unrelated point but I haven't seen the relevant scene with Julia. Thanks ICSW! Also this thread should be pinned/major props to you b/c it must have taken a lot of time and effort to put this together for us. ^^

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Agree with Kim, that thing should be pinned. Very helpful.

Also,

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Funny to see the only 2 characters that give out strictly positive reputation no matter what (bar Arclight) are Shade and Anna, Anna being pretty much the only character who has a positive opinion of Shade.

 

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Added a point under the post with E16 points. This point is for Hardy. Thanks to Kim for letting me know about this. This conversation didn't give a point in the beta, so it's one of the ones that was added for the community release.

 

 

After beating Ciel, talk to Hardy on Route 4, where he says the twins have gone missing.

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Added another point under E16 points, this time for Cain.

 

Talk to Cain in Calcenon after beating Ciel, where he says the twins went missing.

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Does anyone know what set of circumstances has to happen to trigger each of the four different abduction scenarios?

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Fight Sigmund + Choose "Upstairs" = Laura Abducted
Fight Sigmund + Choose "Downstairs" = Noel/Anna Abducted
Don't Fight Sigmund + Choose "Sigmund" = Saphira Abducted
Don't Fight Sigmund + Choose "Sirius" = Charlotte/Shelly Abducted

 

Should be the options?

 

(btw, I figure I should ask first, but I decided to organise all the events in the first post by the order it happens in the game rather than by character, would it be fine if I posted that here? I mainly made it for my own use, but it could probably be useful to other people too idk)

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26 minutes ago, Firestorm said:

Fight Sigmund + Choose "Upstairs" = Laura Abducted
Fight Sigmund + Choose "Downstairs" = Noel/Anna Abducted
Don't Fight Sigmund + Choose "Sigmund" = Saphira Abducted
Don't Fight Sigmund + Choose "Sirius" = Charlotte/Shelly Abducted

 

Should be the options?

 

(btw, I figure I should ask first, but I decided to organise all the events in the first post by the order it happens in the game rather than by character, would it be fine if I posted that here? I mainly made it for my own use, but it could probably be useful to other people too idk)

 

That would actually be great! I was considering doing that too, but I didn't get around to it yet. That's super helpful, thank you! And don't forget to put the E16 stuff in spoilers ofc.

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Yeah, I'd go the Saphira route as well. If Shade thinks that's the correct outcome, then it probably is. Lol

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25 minutes ago, Firestorm said:

Here we go, all the points in chronological order (only content up to E15, because I'm replaying it and I don't want to be spoiled on E16 events myself):

 

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Julia: +1: answer yes when Julia asks if you're challenging the Reborn League
OR
Julia: -1: answer no when Julia asks if you're challenging the Reborn League
--
Cain: +1: beat Cain at the Grand Hall
--
Victoria: +1: beat Victoria at the Grand Hall
--
Shelly: +1: take the Kricketot with you (should be in some apartment complex in the Peridot Ward)
OR
Shelly: -1: say no when asked to take the Kricketot with you
--
Fern: +1: talk to Fern while teamed up with him at Mosswater Factory
Fern: -1: leave Mosswater Factory while teamed up with Fern
--
Florinia: +1: say yes when Florinia asks if you observed terrain effects in the factory
OR
Florinia: -1: say no when Florinia asks if you observed terrain effects in the factory
--
Fern: -1: refuse to beg to Fern
OR
Fern: +1: get on your knees and beg to Fern
Fern: +1: get on all fours and claim to be an inferior trainer to Fern
Fern: +1: swear to never get in Fern's way again
Fern: +2: say you'll never be as popular or talented as Fern
--
Shade: +1: find all the officers and expose Corey
Anna: +1: find all the officers and expose Corey
Heather: +1: find all the officers and expose Corey
--
Arclight: +1: speak to Arclight in front of the nightclub
--
Victoria: +1: beat Shelly
Victoria: -1: lose to Shelly
--
Shelly: +1: talk to Shelly while teamed up with her in the orphanage
--
Charlotte: -1: talk to Charlotte while she's behind bars at the orphanage
--
Cain: -1: leave the orphanage while teamed up with Shelly
Shelly: -1: leave the orphanage while teamed up with Shelly
Noel: -1: leave the orphanage while teamed up with Shelly
Charlotte: -1: leave the orphanage while teamed up with Shelly
Heather: -1: leave the orphanage while teamed up with Shelly
--
Amaria: +1: answer yes when Amaria asks if you trust her
Amaria: -1: answer no when Amaria asks if you trust her
--
Victoria: +1: tell Kiki you're a new student
Cal: +1: tell Kiki you're a new student
--
Victoria: +1: beat Kiki
Victoria: -2: lose to Kiki
--
Victoria: -2: leave Pyrous Mountain while teamed up with Victoria
--
Taka: +3: defeat Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain
Victoria: +1: beat Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain
Cain: +1: beat Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain
Shade: +1: beat Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain
Anna: +1: defeat Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain
Cal: +1: defeat Solaris's Garchomp at Pyrous Mountain
(beating Garchomp means you'll battle Solaris with Julia in a much later event, losing means you'll battle with Florinia)
--
Cal: +1: tell Cal you believe him
OR
Cal: -1: tell Cal you don't believe him
--
Aya: +1: beat Fern in Aya's gym
Hardy: +1: beat Fern in Aya's gym
--
Fern: -1: lose to Aya
Hardy: -1: lose to Aya
--
Cain: +1: talk to Cain while teamed up with him at Yureyu HQ
Cain: -1: leave Yureyu HQ while teamed up with Cain
--
Heather: +1: fight Sigmund to reclaim Heather
Sigmund: -1: fight Sigmund to reclaim Heather
OR
Sigmund: +1: don't fight Sigmund at Yureyu
Heather: -1: don't fight Sigmund at Yureyu
Cain: -1: don't fight Sigmund at Yureyu

(note: fighting Sigmund means Laura or Noel/Anna are kidnapped in future)
(note: not fighting Sigmund means Saphira or Charlotte/Shelly are kidnapped in future)
(scroll down to see what each choice gives you down the line and decide the best option, but personally I chose the Saphira route)
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Shelly: +1: talk to Shelly in the Underground Railnet about the train tracks puzzle
--
Noel: -1: don't have the medicine when Noel asks for it
--
Shelly: +1: talk to Shelly in the Belrose house (where she wonders if she really does have lots of friends)
--
Bennett: +1: talk to Bennett again after introducing yourself
--
Serra: +1: break correct mirror in first room on first try (without having broken any incorrect mirrors)
Serra: +1: ditto for second room
Serra: +1: ditto for third room
OR
Serra: -1: break 2-5 incorrect mirrors in the first room before finding the correct one
Serra: -1: ditto for second room
Serra: -1: ditto for third room
OR
Serra: -2: break 6 incorrect mirrors in the first room before finding the correct one
Serra: -2: ditto for second room
Serra: -2: ditto for third room
--
Bennett: +1: lose to Bennett at Voclain Estate
Elias: -1: lose to Bennett at Voclain Estate
OR
Bennett: -1: defeat Bennett at Voclain Estate
Elias: +1: beat Bennett at Voclain Estate
--
Serra: -1: shatter Serra's mirror arena
--
Serra: +1: talk to Serra after the Pokemart disappears from her house and she sits on her couch
--
Shelly: +1: talk to Shelly before the "match" with Noel (not the actual one but the one that gets interrupted)
--
Charlotte: +1: say yes when Charlotte asks if any Meteor or doctor who comes through is going to get their face smashed in
--
For the following:
(keep in mind the "Fight Sigmund" thing is for the Yureyu battle)
Fight Sigmund + Choose "Upstairs" = Laura Abducted
Fight Sigmund + Choose "Downstairs" = Noel/Anna Abducted
Don't Fight Sigmund + Choose "Sigmund" = Saphira Abducted
Don't Fight Sigmund + Choose "Sirius" = Charlotte Shelly Abducted

Anyways:

Sigmund: -1: go upstairs at Meteor situation at Belrose house
Laura: -1: go upstairs at Meteor situation in the Belrose house
Sigmund: -2: choose to stop the doctor (split story if Sigmund wasn't fought at Yureyu)

Laura Abducted:
Shelly: +1: Laura abducted; when Saphira says you're coming with her
Noel: +1: Laura abducted; when Saphira says you're coming with her
Charlotte: +1: Laura abducted; when Saphira says you're coming with her
Laura: +1: Laura abducted; talk to her while she's in the cell
Saphira: -1: Laura abducted; when Saphira says you're coming with her
OR
Noel/Anna Abducted:
Shelly: +1: twins abducted; when Saphira says you're coming with her
Charlotte: +1: twins abducted; when Saphira says you're coming with her
Noel: +2: twins abducted; talk to the twins while they're in the cell
Saphira: +1: twins abducted; when Saphira says you're coming with her
OR
Saphira Abducted:
Shelly: +1: Saphira abducted; when Laura asks for your support
Shade: +1: Saphira abducted; when Laura asks for your support
Anna: +1: Saphira abducted; when Laura asks for your support
Noel: +1: Saphira abducted; when Laura asks for your support
Charlotte: +1: Saphira abducted; when Laura asks for your support
Terra: +1: Saphira abducted; when Cal talks about Lin and Terra
Saphira: +1: Saphira abducted; when Laura asks for your support
Laura: +2: Saphira abducted; speak to Laura in the Tanzan Depths while she's on the ground
Laura: -1: Saphira abducted; when Laura says she told you not to mess up the room
OR
Charlotte/Shelly Abducted:
Shelly: +1: Charlotte and Shelly abducted; talk to them when they're in the cell
Noel: +1: Charlotte and Shelly abducted; when Saphira says you're coming with her
Charlotte: +1: Charlotte and Shelly abducted; talk to them while they're in the cell
Laura: -1: Charlotte and Shelly abducted; when Saphira says you're coming with her
Saphira: -2: Charlotte and Shelly abducted; when Saphira says you're coming with her
--
Saphira: +2: defeat the giant Steelix + Depths PC is active
Laura: +1: defeat the giant Steelix + Depths PC is active (no points if it isn't active)
OR
Saphira: +3: defeat the giant Steelix + Depths PC is not active
--
Laura: -2: burn the field when battling Noel
Laura: -1: create the Corrosive Field when battling Noel
--
Cain: +1: say no when Adrienn asks for the Ruby Ring
Adrienn: -1: say no when Adrienn asks for the Ruby Ring
OR
Adrienn: +1: say yes when Adrienn asks for the Ruby Ring
Cain: -1: say yes when Adrienn asks for the Ruby Ring
--
Adrienn: +1: play as non-binary (point added when Cain says "No wonder you're both so cute!")
--
Side With Radomus
Gardevoir: +3: side with Radomus
Radomus: +2: side with Radomus
Luna: +2: side with Radomus
Cain: +1: side with Radomus
Shade: +1: side with Radomus
Anna: +1: side with Radomus
Adrienn: -1: side with Radomus
Elias: -2: side with Radomus
OR
Side With El
Elias: +3: side with El and lose to Dittoceus
Elias: +2: side with El and beat Dittoceus
Adrienn: +2: side with El and beat Dittoceus
Cain: +1: side with El and beat Dittoceus
Adrienn: +1: side with El and lose to Dittoceus
Radomus: -2: side with El
Luna: -2: side with El
Gardevoir: -2: side with El and beat Dittoceus
Gardevoir: -3: side with El and lose to Dittoceus
--
Elias: +1: when Elias offers chess explanations, ask him about himself
--
Radomus: +1: solve the first chess puzzle
--
Luna: +1: tell Luna you're not afraid of the dark if you sided with Radomus (you won't get this point if you side with El)
OR
Luna: -1: tell Luna you're afraid of the dark
--
Luna: +1: beat Bennett at Iolia Valley
Bennett: -2: beat Bennett at Iolia Valley
--
Bennett: +1: say yes when Bennett asks you to leave
Bennett: -1: say no when Bennett asks you to leave
--
Samson: +1: play as female (point is added when Samson says "Ladies first" after parting the circus line)
--
Ciel: +2: beat Samson
Ciel: -1: lose to Samson
--
Titania: -1: say yes when Titania asks if you saw her talking to the Meteor grunt
Titania: -2: say no when Titania asks if you saw her talking to the Meteor grunt
--
Titania: -2: read Titania's diary (mansion diary)
Titania: -1: say no when Titania asks if you were reading her diary
--
Titania: +2: don't tell Amaria about the diary
Amaria: -2: don't tell Amaria about the diary
OR
Titania: -2: tell Amaria about the diary
Amaria: +2: tell Amaria about the diary
--
Aya: +1: speak to Aya while teamed up with her at Route 3
Aya: -1: go back to Ametrine Mountain while teamed up with Aya
Hardy: -1: go back to Ametrine Mountain while teamed up with Aya
Aya: -1: lose a battle while teamed up with Aya
Hardy: -1: lose a battle while teamed up with Aya
--
Aya: -2: 2 points are dropped when Aya is abducted by Sirius
--
Noel: +1: talk to Anna in the house in Calcenon when she asks what flavor cake you'd be
--
Charlotte: +2: when Charlotte explains the ring trick, if you said you'd trade her for the ring
Hardy: -1: say yes when Charlotte asks if you'd trade her for the ring
Saphira: +1: say yes when Charlotte asks if you'd trade her for the ring, if your relationship with Saphira is above 0
Saphira: -1: Say yes when Charlotte asks if you'd trade her for the ring, if your relationship with Saphira is 0 or below
OR
Hardy: +1: say no when Charlotte asks if you'd trade her for the ring
Charlotte: -2: when Charlotte explains the ring trick, if you said you wouldn't trade her for the ring
--
Hardy: +1: talk to Hardy in Calcenon after Charlotte explains the ring trick
--
Sigmund: -1: listen to Saphira talk to Sigmund in Calcenon
--
Cain: +1: talk to Cain in Calcenon when he says Team Meteor is mad Charlotte didn't show up with the ring
--
Terra: +1: read the sign in the glitch Mt. Moon that says "W3Lc0Me t0 Mt.b00ty!"
Terra: +1: speak to Timmy (NPC in glitch Opal Ward)
Terra: +1: speak to NPC in glitch Opal Ward who says "sm0ke 0ddishw33d 3rryd4y"
Terra: +1: speak to Red in the glitch Rocket Hideout
Terra: +1: talk to NPC in glitch Lavender Town that talks about M3G4T3RR4
Terra: +1: talk to the tombstone in the glitch Wasteland that says "beep beep beep beep boop nothing happened oops"
Terra: +1: read the diary about baby Arceus in the glitch Pokemon Mansion
--
Terra: -4: beat Terra (unavoidable, do the things above to try and keep it in the positives I guess?)
--
Cal: +2: say no every time Blake asks for the Ruby Ring
Shade: +1: say no every time Blake asks for the Ruby Ring
Anna: +1: say no every time Blake asks for the Ruby Ring
Shelly: -1: say no the first time Blake asks for the Ruby Ring
Shelly: -1: say no the final time Blake asks for the Ruby Ring
Heather: -1: say no the second time Blake asks for the Ruby Ring
Blake: -2: say no every time Blake asks for the Ruby Ring
OR
Blake: +2: give Blake the Ruby Ring
Cal: -2: give Blake the Ruby Ring
--
Heather: +1: if said no every time Blake asked for the Ruby Ring, given when Shelly and Heather tear down the shed
--
Shelly: +1: Ametrine during the Blake chase; talk to her when she says she needs a moment
--
Heather: +1: if exposed Corey, given when Blake mentions Corey to Heather
--
Taka: +2: battle Taka at the WTC
Shade: +1: battle Taka at the WTC
Anna: +1: battle Taka at the WTC
Titania: -1: battle Taka at the WTC
OR
Taka: -2: don't battle Taka at the WTC
--
Julia: +1: defeat Solaris and John with Julia
Fern: -1: defeat Solaris and John with Julia
Florinia: +1: defeat Solaris and John with Florinia
(if you beat Solaris' Garchomp on Pyrous Mountain, you'll battle with Julia. If you lose, with Florinia)
--
Samson: 2: defeat Ciel (this point is "set to 2" instead of "add 2", so +1 if female, +2 if male or non-binary I guess?)
Samson: -1: lose to Ciel

 

 

I think it's all in order, but if something's in the wrong order lmk and I'll edit it

You have the ones for Titania asking if you overheard the conversation with the Meteor grunt after Samson, when they should be between the Tanzan points and the one for Adrienn if playing as non-binary. That event happens in North Aventurine Woods. Everything else seems to be in order, though.

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Lol, Someone will try get points with benneth, fern and El?

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I do not consider Bennett a bad person, just overly attached and being leaded to doing the wrong things.

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1 hour ago, PedroHenrique said:

I do not consider Bennett a bad person, just overly attached and being leaded to doing the wrong things.

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He being a bad person or not is not important, is just that i play my game trying to not lose to anyone, not even solaris or dittoceus. And then one of the condition to get points with bennet is to lose to him?! Bennet?! and another condition is to get my sweet Luna alone with that creep in a dark cave? nope, just nope :)

 

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I'm just wondering how relationship points will affect the game/post-game, maybe I should keep my old save file w/neutral relationships and start a new one to get them (even that just thinking about fighting Shelly again gets me depressed)

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Wait, I thought Shade's and Anna's points will go up if you "don't" fight Taka according to RPG maker. Which is kinda sad, since the dialogue you get when you deny him is just a stab in the heart, but you have to do it to increase Shade's and Anna's mysterious points.

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