Rejuvenation Chronicles: Valerie's Revenge

[Dragon God Goomy]

So way back on my 1st playthough, I erased Valerie into existance by the might of Jolteon's Thunder.

But now, with her revamped Water Field, Valerie is now an absolute monster that can counter everything on my Rotation.

The real pain on her field is the Speed reduction that hurts my team's composition fatally. I have Emolga and Tangrowth, but Ice Beam clips them down. Gardevoir can't set up Calm Mind because of the said field.

Valerie is ripping me off right now. She's now unbeatable on my case.

[Shing]

Well i'm going to somewhat enjoy against her XD.

So she is basically pre-nerf narcissa's level?

[Dragon God Goomy]

Well i'm going to somewhat enjoy against her XD.

So she is basically pre-nerf narcissa's level?

Worse than pre-nerf Narcissa.

Now without Jolteon, I am a sitting duck against her.

If only I am strong like Melia....

[Shing]

Worse than pre-nerf Narcissa.

Now without Jolteon, I am a sitting duck against her.

If only I am strong like Melia....

Jan basically needs to nerf the field in a nutshell.

And woah.

Or any of the waifus in rejuvenation.

[Dragon God Goomy]

Jan basically needs to nerf the field in a nutshell.

And woah.

Or any of the waifus in rejuvenation.

Yeah. The 50% Speed Cut is just too much, granted Trick Room is not yet around.

[Kithros]

If you're really having trouble with any (1v1) fight then the strategy that's always seemed most effective (albeit kind of cheesy and borderline exploiting because the AI is too stupid to switch) for me is to debuff one of their pokemon (not necessarily the pokemon they lead with, you can use roar or KO it to try to get a better pokemon out if necessary) with sand attack/charm/any other debuffs, and then have another pokemon set up like mad on them and sweep the entire team. If you're using accuracy hax then putting substitute on your setup sweeper is really really helpful too, but it's unlikely you have the substitute TM unless you grinded the 7000 coins for it at the casino a long time ago..

I'm not sure the entire list of pokemon you have available to you, but when you have the right pokemon you can just forget about type advantages and just focus on making your setup sweep work - even if she has a ton of super effective moves against a Swoobat for instance you can still make a Swoobat sweep her if you debuff her stats enough before sending the Swoobat out (and provided your Swoobat is fast enough to outspeed her team or can at least tank some hits at +6 special defense from the pokemon that do outspeed it). If I remember correctly I once had a lot of trouble with Valerie in one of my playthroughs and I ended up using a Muk to venom drench her politoed to -6 special attack (healing the muk with items as necessary), then 3x calm minded with a simple swoobat, used any healing items necessary after setting up and then swept with the swoobat, and the field effects haven't really done anything that would make that strategy (with a flying pokemon or a pokemon that can boost its speed at least) significantly more difficult. I've swept Angie before using a Swoobat too.

Edited August 3, 2015 by Kithros

[Dragon God Goomy]

If you're really having trouble with any (1v1) fight then the strategy that's always seemed most effective (albeit kind of cheesy and borderline exploiting because the AI is too stupid to switch) for me is to debuff one of their pokemon (not necessarily the pokemon they lead with, you can use roar or KO it to try to get a better pokemon out if necessary) with sand attack/charm/any other debuffs, and then have another pokemon set up like mad on them and sweep the entire team. If you're using accuracy hax then putting substitute on your setup sweeper is really really helpful too, but it's unlikely you have the substitute TM unless you grinded the 7000 coins for it at the casino a long time ago..

I'm not sure the entire list of pokemon you have available to you, but when you have the right pokemon you can just forget about type advantages and just focus on making your setup sweep work - even if she has a ton of super effective moves against a Swoobat for instance you can still make a Swoobat sweep her if you debuff her stats enough before sending the Swoobat out (and provided your Swoobat is fast enough to outspeed her team or can at least tank some hits at +6 special defense from the pokemon that do outspeed it). If I remember correctly I once had a lot of trouble with Valerie in one of my playthroughs and I ended up using a Muk to venom drench her politoed to -6 special attack (healing the muk with items as necessary), then 3x calm minded with a simple swoobat, used any healing items necessary after setting up and then swept with the swoobat, and the field effects haven't really done anything that would make that strategy (with a flying pokemon or a pokemon that can boost its speed at least) significantly more difficult. I've swept Angie before using a Swoobat too.

Alright. I'll say the problems with this one.

The main problem here is the Speed Reduction from her Ocean Field. I can't even connect a paralysis with Manectric because of it. And like what I said, I can't set because of the said problem.

Also, her field powers up Water and Electric Attacks, and together with Politoed's Drizzle, there's absolutely no way I could wall it anytime.

EDIT: Swoobet will get nipped by Ice Beam.

Edited August 3, 2015 by Ace_Trainer_Vince

[Shing]

@Kithros

The problem is that the field got way buffed.

Just reading the manual makes the battle against valerie a lot harder.

Grounded pokemon get 50% slower.

Ground types doesn't even hit, which makes the pokemon lanturn(if she has) even a bigger threat, if not impossible like narcissa's gengar/chandelure.

Swift swim is activated, there's that.

Pretty much what vince said, it's kinda impossible really. With all that, it's a one sided there.

Grass doesn't work well since ice beam really.

[Simon]

My lord, that field effect is 2stronk. I can't think of a way atm to beat her.

[Kithros]

Do you have a quick claw? If you do you can reset until you get a thunder wave off which would help out a ton - the quick claw should have been really easy to get early in the game, but if you don't have it of course you won't be able to head back to pick it up.

If you have any roggenrolas with sturdy they can (almost) guaranteed get 1 sand attack off unless some hax like ice beam freeze happens, and sometimes much more than just 1 sand attack - I always try to pick up roggenrolas with sturdy+ sand attack, or once possible magnetons with thunder wave/flash (not available for Valerie sadly) for this to deal with overpowered pokemon in games like reborn/rejuvenation.

If you have a Muk iirc you can get a muk to debuff her politoed if you level it up enough (there haven't been any changes to the amount of damage her attacks do in v6 afaik so this should still work) - when I did it I had to poison gas one turn, switch to a fodder pokemon to heal the muk with an item before switching back and venom drenching + healing the muk a bunch of times before finally using the setup sweeper.

In my v6 playthrough I did earlier I could set up with a togetic too with serene grace on ancient power before baton passing it to a better pokemon, but that came from the mystery egg so it's unlikely you could reproduce that (togetic had just enough health to survive being hit by blizzard for me).

There are probably a lot of other pokemon that could do these kinds of things, but I don't know what pokemon you've caught up to this point so it's hard for me to really say.

Edited August 3, 2015 by Kithros

[Shing]

Do you have a quick claw? If you do you can reset until you get a thunder wave off which would help out a ton - the quick claw should have been really easy to get early in the game, but if you don't have it of course you won't be able to head back to pick it up.

If you have any roggenrolas with sturdy they can (almost) guaranteed get 1 sand attack off unless some hax like ice beam freeze happens, and sometimes much more than just 1 sand attack - I always try to pick up roggenrolas with sturdy+ sand attack, or once possible magnetons with thunder wave/flash (not available yet sadly) for this to deal with overpowered pokemon in games like reborn/rejuvenation.

If you have a Muk iirc you can get a muk to debuff her politoed if you level it up enough (there haven't been any changes to the amount of damage her attacks do in v6 afaik so this should still work) - when I did it I had to poison gas one turn, switch to a fodder pokemon to heal the muk with an item before switching back and venom drenching + healing the muk a bunch of times before finally using the setup sweeper.

In my v6 playthrough I did earlier I could set up with a togetic too with serene grace on ancient power before baton passing it to a better pokemon, but that came from the mystery egg so it's unlikely you could reproduce that (togetic had just enough health to survive being hit by blizzard for me).

There are probably a lot of other pokemon that could do these kinds of things, but I don't know what pokemon you've caught up to this point so it's hard for me to really say.

Em only one thing.

How do you counter lanturn...

With no earth moves available, and lanturn may holding the berry that weakness the super effectivie grass moves(i may be wrong in this version) grass moves is hard to use.

I can say electric pokemon since it was said that Lanturn didn't have volt asorb(thank goodness), but not all electric pokemon is available and the fast one get slowed there.

[Kithros]

Em only one thing.

How do you counter lanturn...

With no earth moves available, and lanturn may holding the berry that weakness the super effectivie grass moves(i may be wrong in this version) grass moves is hard to use.

I can say electric pokemon since it was said that Lanturn didn't have volt asorb(thank goodness), but not all electric pokemon is available and the fast one get slowed there.

I don't need to run counters to pokemon - the strategy revolved around getting a setup sweeper to +6 attack or special attack and enough speed to outspeed her pokemon (in my case I had speed buffs from ancient power on a grounded pokemon, but swoobat should work fine too). A +6 special attack psychic from a swoobat will KO the lanturn just fine, and even if it didn't if you kept it at high health before starting the sweep it should be able to tank a hit with +6 special defense. The goal with the whole paralyze/accuracy hax/debuffs is to make it trivial to setup a setup sweeper, and once the setup sweeper is set up it can easily OHKO everything - if the AI were intelligent they would obviously just switch pokemon to prevent these shenanigans, but the AI isn't smart.

[Shing]

I don't need to run counters to pokemon - the strategy revolved around getting a setup sweeper to +6 attack or special attack and enough speed to outspeed her pokemon (in my case I had speed buffs from ancient power on a grounded pokemon, but swoobat should work fine too). A +6 special attack psychic from a swoobat will KO the lanturn just fine, and even if it didn't if you kept it at high health before starting the sweep it should be able to tank a hit with +6 special defense. The goal with the whole paralyze/accuracy hax/debuffs is to make it trivial to setup a setup sweeper, and once the setup sweeper is set up it can easily OHKO everything - if the AI were intelligent they would obviously just switch pokemon to prevent these shenanigans, but the AI isn't smart.

Hm i see.

That's kind of interesting, and i believe you since you defeated madame x.

That video was gold.

[Milotic]

Wait so there's no way to remove the field effect?

[Dragon God Goomy]

Hm i see.

That's kind of interesting, and i believe you since you defeated madame x.

That video was gold.

I can see to it too, but in order to do it, I need my Emolga.

I could try that, Since I have a Swoobat, and wish for a hax.

EDIT: Oh, btw. Madame X's Yveltal has Oblivion Wing now.

Edited August 3, 2015 by Ace_Trainer_Vince

[Shing]

Wait so there's no way to remove the field effect?

No. Because the field shares the same one when we surf, so no remove.

[Kithros]

Oh, one thing worth mentioning - put an exp. share on a pokemon to help prevent the sweeper from overleveling past the level cap. I've had a few times I've lost fights because of something silly like that happening, and it can be really frustrating especially when you rely on a lot of luck.

[Frostilicious]

Actually Valarie was super easy. I did the battle twice actually and i both set up with Gardevoir and bodied her with Giga Drain Vileplume .

Edited August 3, 2015 by timbla

[Dragon God Goomy]

Actually Valarie was super easy. I did the battle twice actually and i both set up with Gardevoir and bodied her with Giga Drain Vileplume .

I don't have that luxury.

EDIT: Also, when did you battle her?

Edited August 3, 2015 by Ace_Trainer_Vince

[Omega_Ra1der]

I just going to sit in a corner and pray Jan at least either remove the ground portion since it really only helps lanturn or remove drizzle politoed because that thing is begging for your end.

Edit:Vince, the 5th gym... and it's after you escape the prison (Blacksteepe)

Edited August 3, 2015 by OmegaRa1der

[biboo195]

I just going to sit in a corner and pray Jan at least either remove the ground portion since it really only helps lanturn or remove drizzle politoed because that thing is begging for your end.

Edit:Vince, the 5th gym... and it's after you escape the prison (Blacksteepe)

Actually, i think he was talking about which version timbla beat her.

[Dragon God Goomy]

Actually, i think he was talking about which version timbla beat her.

Yes. I'm about to say that.

[Omega_Ra1der]

GREAT NEWS: SHENINJA IS STILL GOOD! Same strategy as before.

[Dragon God Goomy]

GREAT NEWS: SHENINJA IS STILL GOOD! Same strategy as before.

Good. I don't have one. Crap.

Also, Jan axed Nim's teleportation.

[laggless01]

You can also get the Shadow Toxicroak, penty of IVs + Dry Skin might get you somewhere?
By the way, Idk when you get Nature Power, but it changes in the heavily buffed Whirlpool on that field, so perhaps try it out?
Perhaps training up a Jellicent (or Slowbro?) might be worth it, too. It's really buff on the specially defensive side and can inflict status+Hex, but I'm not sure if it's buff enough for that matter.
And we shouldn't forget that you can catch Water Absorb Woopers around Route 3/Goldenleaf...making it a great switch-in, since it also loves electricity and learns Amnesia.

Edited August 3, 2015 by laggless01