Valentine

I picked terra cause of dat garchomp

That's because hail doesn't allow pokemon to sweep, it doesn't boost stats. You don't think a pokemon with kyogre's ability won't be banned by smogon, the site that banned salamence? I know it's counter-able, it's just like I said. Every team will be a weather one that just aims to cancel the other one's season :/

[quote name='AmethystStorm' post='2805' date='Aug 12 2010, 12:17 AM']They still might add non-legendary autorain/sun though. We don't know. But yes, there is the chance that those two might be thrown up to Ubers or such.[/quote] I hope not. Then every battle would be war of the seasons :c [quote name='AZKnight' post='2857' date='Aug 12 2010, 04:17 PM']They've only released one Pokemon that has the ability to double Speed in Sandstorm. I highly doubt they would move Tyranitar and Hippowdon to Ubers just because they can set up a single Pokemon. We don't know what other Pokemon will have this ability nor if the one that has it will end up being any good in the Metagame. I have been rather disappointed with the type combination of a lot of the new Pokemon. When I saw Wooguru, this epic war eagle, I thought it would be something new like Fighting/Flying. But no, it's just another Normal/Flying type. I thought Rankurusu would be Psychic/Ghost because of how it is translucent, but it's just plain Psychic. And then most of them are just a single type like Rock or Normal. I'm just hoping that we see some more type combination. I am interested in Kurumiru because it's the first Grass/Bug Pokemon since Parasect. Now Parasect isn't exactly considered a beast and part of that is its typing and some of it is its stats. But hey, it has Spore and it was an interesting and unique type since the original games. Also like Emonga as I think the only other Electric/Flying Pokemon is Zapados, correct me if I'm wrong. So while it's not technically a new combination, it's new for a common Pokemon. If only they hadn't made it white as that is the only part of it that makes me think of Pachirisu, but I still like how it looks infinitely more.[/quote] Even one pokemon can sweep a team if it has a boost as simple as sending one pokemon in. Kingdra and akabutops decimate teams in their respective tiers without much support other than weather. I agree with your point on typings hough, but I guess we can only hope the best is left for last. I'll be kinda pissed if Emonga doesn't evolve from pachirisu though, You can't have a squirrel and a flying one without an evoloution

[quote name='AmethystStorm' post='2801' date='Aug 12 2010, 12:05 AM']Why? It's just like Swift Swim and Clorophyll. That means there's probably a hail equivallent.[/quote] The problem being, there's no way in OU to summon infinate sun and rain. So it would make hippodon and tyranitar in odd positions

I tend to just listen to the in game music or not at all, it's rather good in 4th gen anyways.

God, radiohead makes me cream my pants <3 Anyways, Gregory and the Hawk - Oats we Sow. It's a very very beautiful song...

[url="http://www.dragonflycave.com/newpay.aspx"][img]http://www.dragonflycave.com/wpay/charizard.gif[/img][/url] I don't feel this is too accurate :/

[quote name='mashew' post='2728' date='Aug 11 2010, 07:00 PM']you mean does not make a good type right?? anyways >> then lets drop the argument and just talk about the new pokes[/quote] No, no I don't. I "does not a ___ ___ make" is a common higher English phrase.

I don't even like steel. It's just objectively good. Shaymin can only sweep an absoloute shit team, really. Even then, one mid-tier pokemon does not a good type make.

[quote name='AZKnight' post='2715' date='Aug 11 2010, 04:11 PM']First of all, how do you determine what common type is? Grass is weak to Fire, Bug, Flying, Poison, and Ice. Personally, I don't consider Poison and Ice to be common. Scratch that, I don't consider [i]any [/i]type to be common. There are over 400 Pokemon, you can't dub types to be common. Oh, and that Fire weakness? Steel is weak to Fire, too! Plus Grass resists Electric, Water, Ground, and Grass so that's pretty good. If anything Grass is an example of a standard type: Weak to 5 types, resists 4 types, and the rest are neutral. As Stars said, Steel is a very defensive type, which is why it resists so much. It's the nature of the type. It is only Super Effective against Ice and Rock while is it NOT effective against Electric, Fire, Water, and Steel. And then you say Steel resists Dragon and Psychic, two "very strong types." Last I checked, Dragon as a type was pretty bland. It is ONLY Super Effective against other Dragons and everything else takes neutral except Steel. Just because you resist Dragon does not make Steel the God Type. And then Psychic is only Super Effective against Fighting and Poison, while Psychic also resists and Dark is outright immune. If you want to talk resistances, look at the immune types like Ground tp Electric and Flying to Ground. To say that a Steel team it "unbeatable" is just stupid. If it was true, then you would never beat Stevens in Hoenn. Statistically, Grass is NOT weak nor is any type.[/quote] Ice is very common. It's run on most water pokemons specifically to hit grass and dragon types. See swampert, milotic, suicune, etc. You're completely failing to see that "common" refers to the types within the metagame. There are very few common grass types in OU, like celebi, roserade and shaymin. However, there are maaaaany steels. Heatran, Metagross, Bronzong, Skarmory, Lucario, Empoleon, the list goes on. The reason this is, is a reason you mentioned. Steal is a defensive type. However, it is the most diverse as well. What steel type doesn't carry earthquake to hit fire types? Only 2 grass types do that. How many steel types are offensively strong enough to ohko any counters switching in? Metagross and heatran do it all the time. Grass types, however, are unvarried. Their secondary typings are not beneficial to them in any ways so their attack coverages are consistently lacking. What can venesaur do to a faster flying or fighting type? Nothing. This brings up the speed aspect of them as well, just another area that's lacking but it makes no difference to a low tier typing anyways. If you think that dragon is not an offensive type, I dare any of your grass types to not be 2hko'd by a choice band dragonite outrage. Really, don't make such ignorant comments. Steel is the ONLY type that resists those attacks and the only thing that will survive. And for that matter, try to survive a psychic from espeon or alakazam. Your precious grass types are constantly cursed with poison typing which makes them all the easier to sweep. Grass simply lacks defensive power and the versatility to address counters, there is no way to downplay it. Try to diss steels all you like but they are the prime examples of a top-tier type like water. They have the movepools to cause damage and take it, where as grass types are just too slow and frail to compete. Although I love your metaphor of not being able to beat stephen, and misquoting me saying they're unbeatable. Because I could just retort and tell you I kicked Erika's ass without looking twice. In-game means nothing and you know that. [quote]Also as for Grass and Ice being defensively frail, note that both of those gym leaders run stall teams. >.>[/quote] Hail stall only works because of snow veil and wailren. A grass stall would be easy to wallbreak.

Primape has more speed but hitmonchan has more defense, they both have the same attack :/ If they both use close combat and hitmonchan goes second I say he wins

Carz (Hippowdon) - Stealth Rock - Slack Off - Earthquake - Roar Warz (Blissey - Toxic - Wish - Protect - Flamethrower Starz (Garchomp) - Swords Dance - Outrage - Earthquake - Stone Edge Farz (Skarmory) - Brave Bird - Roost - Spikes - Whirlwind Spiez (Tyranitar) - Dragon Dance - Crunch - Fire Punch - Stone Edge Riez (Rotom-H) - Thunderbolt - Shadow Ball - Overheat - Will-O-Wisp

[quote name='mashew' post='2665' date='Aug 10 2010, 09:10 PM']Shaymin dominates all Steel >> statistics dont mean crud when you have faith and ability.[/quote] I have faith that heatran can burn shaymin to a crisp, and then Metagross, registeel, jirachi, and bronzong can trample the remains quite frankly.

[quote name='mashew' post='2662' date='Aug 10 2010, 08:50 PM']Don't you dare call grass weak!!! Just cuz you can't battle with it doesn't mean it's weak and btw WTF is up with the pic....[/quote] Grass is weak to 5 common types and is resisted by 7 types. Steel resists [i]11[/i] types, including psychic and dragon, two very strong types. Of all the grass types only [i]2[/i] are neutral to fire. On a steel team, you can just carry a heatran. Grass types have one gimmick, which is chlorophyl ability in the sun, which ironically, powers up the fire moves they're weak to. Face it, they are statistically weak.

[quote name='NicotheGerman' post='1183' date='Jul 17 2010, 12:18 AM']One strategy that I haven't seen abused very often is the ability of Yawn to effectively cripple opposing threats and force switches consistently in battle. My Defensive Swampert which has consistently been a pivotal part in my Gym victories utilizes the following set: Swampert @ Leftovers Careful Nature 252 HP/40DEF/216SPD Yawn Curse Earthquake Waterfall Basically I switch into a resisted or neutral attack, Yawn to cripple or force to switch. Then if possible Curse on the switch and proceed to create a hard hitting tank.[/quote] Until they switch into a pokemon with grass knot :/ As far as strategies go, the only little-known or used ones I know are sunny-day grass teams, gravity, and trick room teams but those are all rather gimmicky I suppose which would explain why they're not used.