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Which Reborn gym leader was unintended?

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As far as I've been able to tell, most of the big stuff in Reborn (area locations, gym leaders, Meteor bases, etc.) has been planned from the beginning. I don't remember when exactly the Fairy type was announced, but I know it was well after the start of Reborn - at least after Episode 5, probably later. So, at some point, there was a plan for Reborn that involved just 17 gym leaders. Which of the current leaders wasn't originally intended to be in the game? Adrienn seems like the obvious answer, but I think xe was originally a Dragon-type specialist and xyr gym shows up too early for xem not to have been intended. And Saphira's gym is displayed prominently enough on the map and she's woven into the story enough that I think she was intended from the start too. So, who's the extra leader?

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they were all planned from the beginning, as far as I know, as they're all based on real people

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Well, when reborn started out, it was a gen 5 game, so Fairy types didn’t exist yet

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If I remember correctly from what I've heard, the reborn league continued until gen6, so there was a fairy type leader by then. I'm not 100% sure on that but I believe thats what happened.

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3 hours ago, MobiusFlip said:

As far as I've been able to tell, most of the big stuff in Reborn (area locations, gym leaders, Meteor bases, etc.) has been planned from the beginning. I don't remember when exactly the Fairy type was announced, but I know it was well after the start of Reborn - at least after Episode 5, probably later. So, at some point, there was a plan for Reborn that involved just 17 gym leaders. Which of the current leaders wasn't originally intended to be in the game? Adrienn seems like the obvious answer, but I think xe was originally a Dragon-type specialist and xyr gym shows up too early for xem not to have been intended. And Saphira's gym is displayed prominently enough on the map and she's woven into the story enough that I think she was intended from the start too. So, who's the extra leader?

You are correct about Adrienn being the extra leader (This probably being introduced around E10 sorta time) with the introduction of fairy types. However, xe has never been a dragon specialist. The online league originally had Lin as the dragon leader but Saphira took over later for reasons. I don't think Arc was originally intended in the game but as Sigmund left the league, Arc took over so he had to be in the game as a support character/ runner of the nightclub. Julia was the original electric gym leader but computer went boom.

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2 hours ago, Abyssreaper99 said:

You are correct about Adrienn being the extra leader

Oh, huh. I could have sworn I saw something on the old website about Adrienn, before Fairy was announced. I guess not though, that does make the most sense. Although in that case I'm curious if the coral ward gym was present in earlier episodes and if so who its gym leader was intended to be.

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1 minute ago, MobiusFlip said:

Oh, huh. I could have sworn I saw something on the old website about Adrienn, before Fairy was announced. I guess not though, that does make the most sense. Although in that case I'm curious if the coral ward gym was present in earlier episodes and if so who its gym leader was intended to be.

The gym wasn't present in early versions but I think it was added in around E11/12 time.

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Posted (edited)

@MobiusFlip From this image, it seems that Adrein was in the original Rebrn League, just only in the second season onward

 

https://imgur.com/8w01BwD

 

 

 

There is also this one, though it's only for the first one

 

https://imgur.com/0epg4ye

 

 

Of course, I'm only interpreting these images, so I could be incorrect.  I guess only @Amethyst can say for certain what was intended.

Edited by seki108

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9 minutes ago, seki108 said:

@MobiusFlip From this image, it seems that Adrein was in the original Rebrn League, just only in the second season onward

 

https://imgur.com/8w01BwD

 

 

 

There is also this one, though it's only for the first one

 

https://imgur.com/0epg4ye

 

 

Of course, I'm only interpreting these images, so I could be incorrect.

That does seem to be around the time the game reached E11/12 dev times. I think the online league finished somewhere around E14/15 sorta time (was it finishing up in 2015/2016 or was it earlier than that?).

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I guess I can kind of explain what was going on:

 

-Reborn was being created and planned well before Gen VI was even announced or confirmed. In fact season 1 was before PO even localized the Gen V Pokemon Names

-After Season 2 is when the idea came about and was much lesser quality and focus as it is now

-Season 3 added a two new Gym Leaders to fill a new type and Mr. ProbablyInALotOfLegalTroubleButWhoKnowsWhatHappened

 

Based on how I look at it, Adrienn's parts kind of were shoehorned in and my guess is that we were going to skip Reborn City and fight Titania. Simply put the plot was edited so that they were included into the plot. The planning of this likely was happening at the same time fairy type was announced which was around Episode 9's development time roughly. Wow, it's scary to think that was 5 years ago.

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actually, according to ame's tumblr, the Neo Reborn City part was "a card she was waiting to play from the beginning", but I guess introducing Adrienn made this make sense x100.

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