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Move Changes from SM to USUM


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I saw a lot of confusion as to what moves pokemon get in SM and what changed in USUM. Right now Reborn uses SM content. As the title suggests, I'll be using this as a way to gather all information regarding those changes. Potentially this could help the developers if they decide to implement those changes in Reborn before E18. So far I've only checked 10% but I need to sleep so feel free to contribute.

 

What I have found so far:

1) Venusaur gets the following moves by tutors: Bind, Block, Giga Drain, Knock Off, Outrage, Seed Bomb, Snore, Stomping Tantrum, Synthesis, Worry Seed

2) Charizard gets the following moves by tutors: Defog, Dragon Pulse, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Heat Wave, Iron Tail, Outrage, Snore, Tailwind, Thunder Punch

3) Blastoise gets the following moves by tutors: Aqua Tail, Dragon Pulse, Focus Punch, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Iron Defense, Iron Tail, Liquidation, Outrage, Signal Beam, Snore, Zen Headbutt

4) Butterfree gets the following moves by tutors: Bug Bite, Defog, Electroweb, Giga Drain, Signal Beam, Skill Swap, Snore, Tailwind

5) Beedrill gets the following moves by tutors: Bug Bite, Defog, Drill Run, Electroweb, Endeavor, Giga Drain, Knock Off, Laser Focus, Snore, Tailwind, Throat Chop

6) Pidgeot gets the following moves by tutors: Defog, Heat Wave, Laser Focus, Snore, Tailwind, Uproar

7) Raticate and Raticate-A get the following moves by tutors: Covet, Endeavor, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Last Resort, Shock Wave, Snore, Stomping Tantrum, Super Fang, Throat Chop, Uproar, Zen Headbutt

8) Fearow gets the following moves by tutors: Defog, Drill Run, Heat Wave, Laser Focus, Sky Attack, Snore, Tailwind, Throat Chop, Uproar

9) Arbok gets the following moves by tutors: Aqua Tail, Bind, Gastro Acid, Giga Drain, Gunk Shot, Iron Tail, Seed Bomb, Snatch, Snore, Spite, Stomping Tantrum, Throat Chop

10) Raichu gets the following moves by tutors: Covet, Electroweb, Focus Punch, Helping Hand, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Laser Focus, Magnet Rise, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Thunder Punch

11) Raichu-A gets the following moves by tutors: Ally Switch, Covet, Electroweb, Focus Punch, Helping Hand, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Laser Focus, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Magnet Rise, Recycle, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Telekinesis, Thunder Punch
12) Sandslash and Sandslash-A get Hone Claws by breeding

with Sneasel, Zangoose, Glameow, Purugly, Weavile, Purrloin, Liepard, Drillbur, Excadrill, Zoroark or Heatmor

13) Sandslash gets the following moves by tutors: Covet, Earth Power, Focus Punch, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Snore, Stealth Rock, Stomping Tantrum, Super Fang

14) Sandslash-A gets the following moves by tutors: Aqua Tail, Covet, Drill Run, Focus Punch, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Iron Defense, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Snore, Stealth Rock, Super Fang, Throat Chop

15) Nidoqueen and Nidoking get the following moves by tutors: Aqua Tail, Dragon Pulse, Drill Run, Earth Power, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Helping Hand, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Outrage, Shock Wave, Snore, Stealth Rock, Stomping Tantrum, Super Fang, Superpower, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Uproar, Water Pulse

16) Clefable and Wigglytuff get the following moves by tutors: After You, Bounce, Covet, Drain Punch, Endeavor, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Gravity, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Hyper Voice, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Laser Focus, Last Resort, Magic Coat, Recycle, Role Play, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snatch, Snore, Stealth Rock, Telekinesis, Thunder Punch, Trick, Water Pulse, Wonder Room, Zen Headbutt

17) Ninetales and Ninetales-A get the following moves by tutors: Covet, Foul Play, Heat Wave, Iron Tail, Laser Focus, Pain Split, Role Play, Snore, Spite, Zen Headbutt

18) Vileplume gets Strength Sap by breeding

with Morelull or Shiinotic

19) Vileplume gets the following moves by tutors: After You, Drain Punch, Gastro Acid, Giga Drain, Seed Bomb, Snore, Synthesis, Worry Seed

20) Parasect gets Grassy Terrain by breeding

with Oddish, Gloom, Tangela, Roselia, Tangrowth or Comfey

21) Parasect gets the following moves by tutors: After You, Bug Bite, Giga Drain, Knock Off, Seed Bomb, Snore, Synthesis, Throat Chop, Worry Seed

22) Venomoth gets the following moves by tutors: Bug Bite, Defog, Giga Drain, Signal Beam, Skill Swap, Snore, Tailwind, Zen Headbutt

23) Dugtrio gets the following moves by tutors: Earth Power, Snore, Stealth Rock, Stomping Tantrum

24) Dugtrio-A gets the following moves by tutors: Earth Power, Iron Defense, Iron Head, Snore, Stealth Rock, Stomping Tantrum

25) Persian and Persian-A gets the following moves by tutors: Covet, Foul Play, Gunk Shot, Hyper Voice, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Seed Bomb, Shock Wave, Snatch, Snore, Spite, Throat Chop, Uproar, Water Pulse

26) Golduck gets the following moves by tutors: Aqua Tail, Focus Punch, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Iron Tail, Laser Focus, Liquidation, Low Kick, Role Play, Signal Beam, Snore, Telekinesis, Water Pulse, Wonder Room, Worry Seed, Zen Headbutt

27) Primeape gets the following moves by tutors: Covet, Dual Chop, Endeavor, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Gunk Shot, Helping Hand, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Low Kick, Outrage, Role Play, Seed Bomb, Snore, Spite, Stomping Tantrum, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Uproar

28) Arcanine gets the following moves by tutors: Covet, Dragon Pulse, Heat Wave, Helping Hand, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Laser Focus, Outrage, Snore

29) Poliwrath gets the following moves by tutors: Dual Chop, Endeavor, Focus Punch, Helping Hand, Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Snore, Throat Chop, Water Pulse

30) Alakazam gets Psychic Terrain by breeding

with Beheeyem

31) Alakazam gets the following moves by tutors: Ally Switch, Drain Punch, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Gravity, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Laser Focus, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Recycle, Role Play, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Skill Swap, Snatch, Snore, Telekinesis, Thunder Punch, Trick, Wonder Room, Zen Headbutt

32) Machamp gets the following moves by tutors: Dual Chop, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Helping Hand, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Low Kick, Role Play, Snore, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch

33) Victreebel gets Grassy Terrain by breeding

with Morelull or Shiinotic

34) Victreebel gets the following moves by tutors: Bind, Gastro Acid, Giga Drain, Knock Off, Seed Bomb, Snore, Synthesis, Worry Seed

35) Tentacruel gets the following moves by tutors: Bind, Giga Drain, Icy Wind, Knock Off, Magic Coat, Snore, Water Pulse

36) Golem gets the following moves by tutors: Block, Earth Power, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Iron Defense, Iron Head, Snore, Stealth Rock, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Thunder Punch

37) Golem-A gets the following moves by tutors: Ally Switch, Block, Earth Power, Electroweb, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Iron Defense, Iron Head, Magnet Rise, Shock Wave, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Thunder Punch

38) Rapidash gets High Horsepower by breeding

with Mudbray or Mudsdale

39) Rapidash gets the following moves by tutors: Ally Switch, Bounce, Drill Run, Heat Wave, Iron Tail, Low Kick, Snore, Throat Chop

40) Muk and Muk-A get Power-Up Punch by breeding

with Phantump

41) Muk gets the following moves by tutors: Block, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Giga Drain, Gastro Acid, Ice Punch, Pain Split, Shock Wave, Snore, Thunder Punch

42) Muk-A gets the following moves by tutors: Block, Fire Punch, Focus Punch, Giga Drain, Gastro Acid, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Pain Split, Recycle, Shock Wave, Snore, Spite, Thunder Punch

 

... I'm tired...

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I think it would be a good idea to separate egg and level up moves from new tutor moves as they, if I'm not mistaken, are defined in diferent files. And the egg moves can only be defined in pokemon that can be an egg, so generally the first stage of the line unless there's a baby pokemon in that line, so it would probably be helpful too if instead of listing them with the last stage you listed them with the pokemon that can come off the egg with that move.

 

Honestly, I would personally edit the PBS files myself if I was sure that they will be used and it won't be in vain.

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One the one hand I agree, but on the other, I don't.

While giving us an ep 17.5 with these changes would help some mons out, it would take Ame longer to both create that separately and still work toward ep 18, which will already hold these changes in the first place. as bitchy as it may sound, just be patient and next ep you'll be 100% sure to be able to use move tutor moves

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26 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

One the one hand I agree, but on the other, I don't.

While giving us an ep 17.5 with these changes would help some mons out, it would take Ame longer to both create that separately and still work toward ep 18, which will already hold these changes in the first place. as bitchy as it may sound, just be patient and next ep you'll be 100% sure to be able to use move tutor moves

To be fair,  @Ice Cream Sand Witch updated the moves to USUM in Pokemon Spork within a day of the files being leaked online, if I remember correctly.  Ame could probably knock it out fairly quickly.

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11 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

One the one hand I agree, but on the other, I don't.

While giving us an ep 17.5 with these changes would help some mons out, it would take Ame longer to both create that separately and still work toward ep 18, which will already hold these changes in the first place. as bitchy as it may sound, just be patient and next ep you'll be 100% sure to be able to use move tutor moves

The problem would be if the new pokemon, forms and z moves were added because that would probably mean updating the online to avoid the people who haven't updated their game from experiencing errors due to some pokemon and moves not being coded in their games, but as long as it's only the same old pokemon with new old moves it shouldn't be that much trouble, if I'm not mistaken.

The moveset changes could easily be separated from the rest of the content and all the extra work would basically boil down to creating the patch and posting it. If they choose not to I'll 100% undertand and support that decision, though.

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Level up changes

Spoiler

Bulbasaur: 7 Vine Whip -> Leech Seed, still learns Vine Whip at 9

Magnemite:

7 Magnet Bomb -> Thunder Wave

11 Thunder Wave -> Magnet Bomb

Magneton: See Magnemite

Drowzee: Level 29 Headbutt -> Wake-Up Slap

Hypno: See Drowzee

Chansey:

Fling 34->35

Heal Pulse 38->39

Egg Bomb 42->44

Light Screen 46->50

Healing Wish 50->57

Double-Edge 54->65

Mr. Mime: Pound now a level 1 move

Tauros:

35 Zen Headbutt -> Take Down

41 Take Down -> Zen Headbutt

Thrash 50 -> 55

63 Giga Impact -> Double-Edge

71 Giga Impact

Hoppip: Absorb now a level 1 move

Skiploom/Jumpluff: Tackle replaced with Absorb

Dunsparce: Basically, gained Mud-Slap at 13 and everything else was pushed back a slot

13 Yawn -> Mud-Slap

16 Ancient Power -> Yawn

18 Body Slam -> Ancient Power

21 Drill Run -> Body Slam

23 Roost -> Drill Run

26 Take Down -> Roost

28 Coil -> Take Down

31 Dig -> Coil

33 Glare -> Dig

36 Double-Edge -> Glare

38 Endeavor -> Double-Edge

41 Air Slash -> Endeavor

43 Dragon Rush -> Air Slash

46 Endure -> Dragon Rush

48 Flail -> Endure

51 Flail

Blissey: See Chansey

Armaldo: Level 25 Slash-> Bug Bite

Jirachi: Level 30 Rest -> Lucky Chant

Mime Jr.: See Mr. Mime

Magnezone: See Magnemite, also Thunder Wave replaces Magnet Bomb as a Level 1 move

Palkia: Level 24 Aqua Tail -> Aqua Ring

Venipede: 38 Venoshock -> Venom Drench

Reshiram: 64 Imprison -> Noble Roar

Zekrom: 64 Imprison -> Noble Roar

Kyurem (all forms): 64 Imprison -> Noble Roar

Avalugg: Wide Guard as level 1 move

Rowlet: Razor Leaf moved from 15 to 14, +Ominous Wind at 16

Dartrix: See Rowlet

Decidueye: See Rowlet, also gets Phantom Force, Leaf Storm, and Shadow Sneak as Level 1 moves

Litten: Fire Fang moved from 15 to 14, +Double Kick at 16

Torracat: See Litten

Incineroar: See Litten

Popplio: Aqua Jet moved from 15 to 14, +Icy Wind at 16

Brionne/Primarina: See Popplio

Lurantis: Night Slash a Level 1 move

Bewear: Bind as a Level 1 move

Tsareena: Punishment as a Level 1 move, Power Whip at 53

Hakamo-o: Close Combat at 63

Kommo-o: Close Combat at 75

Necrozma: Photon Geyser at 50

 

Egg move changes

Spoiler

Sandshrew/A-Sandshrew: Hone Claws

Oddish: Strength Sap

Paras: Grassy Terrain

Abra: Psychic Terrain

Bellsprout: Strength Sap

Ponyta: High Horsepower

Farfetch'd: First Impression, Final Gambit

Grimer/A-Grimer: Power-Up Punch

Onix: Wide Guard

Drowzee: Power Split, Psychic Terrain

Cubone: Curse

Lickitung: Thrash

Koffing: Venom Drench

Tangela: Wake-Up Slap

Mr. Mime: Psychic Terrain

Snorlax: Power-Up Punch

Sentret: Baby-Doll Eyes

Hoothoot: Mean Look, Hurricane

Ledyba: Endure, Counter

Spinarak: Lunge

Hoppip: Strength Sap

Aipom: Tail Slap

Wooper: Power-Up Punch

Murkrow: Punishment

Girafarig: Psychic Terrain, Psychic Fangs

Delibird: Counter

Phanpy: High Horsepower

Zigzagoon: Extreme Speed

Whismur: Whirlwind

Mawile: Power-Up Punch

Plusle: Tearful Look

Minun: Tearful Look

Volbeat: Lunge

Illumise: Aromatherapy

Roselia: Power Whip

Numel: Heavy Slam

Cacnea: Power-Up Punch

Swablu: Play Rough

Zangoose: Belly Drum

Kecleon: Power-Up Punch

Tropius: Dragon Hammer

Chimecho: Crafty Shield, Perish Song

Turtwig: Heavy Slam

Chimchar: Power-Up Punch

Piplup: Power Trip

Bidoof: Mud Sport

Pachirisu: Baby-Doll Eyes

Buizel: Helping Hand

Cherubi: Grassy Terrain

Buneary: Power-Up Punch

Mime Jr.: Psychic Terrain

Spiritomb: Disable

Riolu: Meteor Mash

Carnivine: Acid Spray

Finneon: Confuse Ray

Tepig: Burn Up

Oshawott: Sacred Sword

Patrat: Tearful Look, Bullet Seed

Pansage: Spiky Shield

Pansear: Belch, Flare Blitz

Blitzle: Feint

Timburr: Power-Up Punch

Tympole: Venom Drench

Sewaddle: Grassy Terrain

Cottonee: Misty Terrain

Petilil: Encore

Basculin: Head Smash

Darumaka: Extrasensory

Scraggy: Power-Up Punch, Acid Spray

Yamask: Crafty Shield

Trubbish: Autotomize

Ducklett: Aqua Jet

Deerling: Headbutt

Joltik: Lunge

Shelmet: Toxic Spikes

Bouffalant: Cotton Guard

Deino: Belch

Chespin: Power-Up Punch

Fennekin: Psychic Terrain

Froakie: Power-Up Punch

Flabebe: Tearful Look

Skiddo: Grassy Terrain

Spritzee: Nasty Plot

Swirlix: Sticky Web

Inkay: Guard Swap

Hawlucha: Feint

Dedenne: Tearful Look

Phantump: Power-Up Punch

Pumpkaboo: Curse

Litten: Power Trip

Yungoos: Fire Fang, Ice Fang, Thunder Fang

Cutiefly: Powder, Sticky Web

Wishiwashi: Whirlpool

Dewpider: Sticky Web

Sandygast: Curse

Pyukumuku: Spite

 

https://pastebin.com/uK2YREX2 lists tutor moves in a format that matches the PBS, should be fully updated for USUM. It doesn't have alternate forms (Alola, then stuff like Deoxys/Wormadam) since those are handled elsewhere. It does include the new USUM mons but those can be find and replaced out if it messes with something

 

I don't think it'd be that hard to make a mod that updates this stuff but I'm also lazy and idk if it'd conflict with other mods.

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29 minutes ago, Salad Table said:

Do you know if snorlax can learn high horsepower now or is that just in USUM?

26 minutes ago, Paperblade said:

USUM changes aren't implemented

I'm updating the movesets to USUM right now, I just finished the level up moves. Once I'm finished with the rest and after a little bit of testing to make sure that everything works just fine I might post it in the mod market, so stay tuned. 

Edit: also I just checked and snorlax should already be able to learn high horsepower at level 57, it's not a usum thing.

Edit 2: I don't promise anything

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1 hour ago, walpurgis said:

I'm updating the movesets to USUM right now, I just finished the level up moves. Once I'm finished with the rest and after a little bit of testing to make sure that everything works just fine I might post it in the mod market, so stay tuned. 

Edit: also I just checked and snorlax should already be able to learn high horsepower at level 57, it's not a usum thing.

Edit 2: I don't promise anything

okay thanks, no worries if it isn't

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