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I'm at the first fight against Marianette in Chrysalis Manor after all the trials. This is the first time I played Reju until this point so I had no idea what's coming and my team is totally unprepared for a challenge like this. I'm playing Normal Difficulity.

 

1) I don't have any fighting type moves. And since this is a point of no return I have no way to get some.

2) Her Multipulse move completely screws all my attempts to use pokemon she wouldn't be able to hit too hard. All stall strategies are out of the window because whenever she doesn't have anything good to use she goes for Multipulse and usually deals a lot of damage that way.

3) Finally I have no way whatsoever to deal with her Bewear. First it's bulky as hell and I have nothing good to use against it. Second it has both Rock Slide and Earthquake?! This early in the game on a pokemon with 125 base attack it's insane - none of my pokemon can survive a hit from this thing.

 

My current team is:

Leavanny (34) - she is usually quite helpful when she gets to revenge kill with Fell Stinger. Here however she has way too many weaknesses so is quickly defeated with some random Multipulse.

Electrode (33) - pretty much the same problem, can't get a buff from Charge Beam before falling to Multipulse.

Fletchinder (34) - the only good move it has at this point is Flame Charge which is too weak against Bewear.

Popplio (31) - unevolved because I want to get him to 36 to get early Moonblast. Disarming Voice is water-type because of Liquid Voice ability so no fairy move for Bewear yet.

Salazzle (33) - never learned Flame Burst or Toxic because of a bug so the only known Fire move is a weak Ember which reduce Bewear to half HP but no further. Without a good move it's a sitting duck.

Lycanroc (31) - fast Rock type is fun to play but once again he can't survive more than one Multipulse.

 

Reserve:

Swablu (33) - too weak to do anything, training for a future.

 

All of my other pokemon are low level, many of them Shadow type.

 

Any advice what I can do? This fight feels pretty impossible. Plus I can't go to Mr. Luck to lower the difficulity. (Well technically I can but that's only because of a bug, the path is supposed to be blocked at this point - so I don't want to do that.)

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You could try training Popplio in the grass outside to get moonblast and then use reverse candies to take it down to 32-33 and then evolve. That's all I'm seeing right now

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you need to go catch a jolly meditite and train it to a medicham, also lycanroc is good (if its Midday) midnight lycanroc is too slow

 

uhm, you can also catch a grubbin and evolve it to charjabug since its fairly bulky

um, try training the gothita the maid gives you, if you read the gardevoir statue (only if you did the Hidden library quest 1 and 2 and have the Garufa book)

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2 minutes ago, Another Retired Shipper said:

you need to go catch a jolly meditite and train it to a medicham, also lycanroc is good (if its Midday) midnight lycanroc is too slow

 

uhm, you can also catch a grubbin and evolve it to charjabug since its fairly bulky

um, try training the gothita the maid gives you, if you read the gardevoir statue (only if you did the Hidden library quest 1 and 2 and have the Garufa book)

 

No way to get Meditite or Charjabug now as I'm at a point of no return. I was a good boy and gave away the Garufa book so no Gothi for me. Lycanroc is Midday of course.

 

3 minutes ago, Twiz said:

You could try training Popplio in the grass outside to get moonblast and then use reverse candies to take it down to 32-33 and then evolve. That's all I'm seeing right now

 

Yep, that's the only idea I got myself. It seems a bit cheap to level up over the cap and then reverse candy and evolve. I'm doing that stuff on regular basis in Reborn Hardcore - it seems right to do drastic things to deal with drastic opponents - but since this is not the Intense mode I'd like to avoid such approach. Still I will probably have to use it here...

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27 minutes ago, baldr said:

 

No way to get Meditite or Charjabug now as I'm at a point of no return. I was a good boy and gave away the Garufa book so no Gothi for me. Lycanroc is Midday of course.

 

 

Yep, that's the only idea I got myself. It seems a bit cheap to level up over the cap and then reverse candy and evolve. I'm doing that stuff on regular basis in Reborn Hardcore - it seems right to do drastic things to deal with drastic opponents - but since this is not the Intense mode I'd like to avoid such approach. Still I will probably have to use it here...

Well, that book lets you read the text on the statues :3 i'm not sure if it does anything else though, i kept it cuz Karen said to not give it away xD

Anyway i though you can get out of the sewers same way you came :[ guess not, Hmm i guess salandit not having fire blast is weird, did you report it in the bug thread?

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40 minutes ago, baldr said:

 

No way to get Meditite or Charjabug now as I'm at a point of no return. I was a good boy and gave away the Garufa book so no Gothi for me. Lycanroc is Midday of course.

 

 

Yep, that's the only idea I got myself. It seems a bit cheap to level up over the cap and then reverse candy and evolve. I'm doing that stuff on regular basis in Reborn Hardcore - it seems right to do drastic things to deal with drastic opponents - but since this is not the Intense mode I'd like to avoid such approach. Still I will probably have to use it here...

Actually, you can leave the mansion when it's time to battle Marianette; it's only blocked when she's with you, so you can prepare for the battle.

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1 minute ago, Another Retired Shipper said:

Well, that book lets you read the text on the statues :3 i'm not sure if it does anything else though, i kept it cuz Karen said to not give it away xD

Anyway i though you can get out of the sewers same way you came :[ guess not, Hmm i guess salandit not having fire blast is weird, did you report it in the bug thread?

 

Well technically I can go back the way I came but that is a actually a bug (reported it today and Jan confirmed the path should be blocked). Story-wise it should not be possible so I don't want to.

 

I remembered what Karen said but I somehow didn't like her and it seemed more interesting to oppose her. Maybe someone would use the book to do something bad later on. :-D

 

Not Fire Blast but Flame Burst... It skipped it because it gained too many levels at once when purifying it and did not learn the moves from the levels between. Yes, I reported this bug earlier today as well.

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1 minute ago, baldr said:

 

Well technically I can go back the way I came but that is a actually a bug (reported it today and Jan confirmed the path should be blocked). Story-wise it should not be possible so I don't want to.

 

I remembered what Karen said but I somehow didn't like her and it seemed more interesting to oppose her. Maybe someone would use the book to do something bad later on. :-D

 

Not Fire Blast but Flame Burst... It skipped it because it gained too many levels at once when purifying it and did not learn the moves from the levels between. Yes, I reported this bug earlier today as well.

I should've been more clear. Being able to leave -before- Marianette is taken away was the bug. Because if you leave, Marianette will just follow you outside and that's not supposed to happen. However, once Marianette is taken, the maid will disappear and you'll be able to leave and make preparations for whatever's inside. Leaving now won't exploit any weird bug or anything. 

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4 minutes ago, baldr said:

 

Well technically I can go back the way I came but that is a actually a bug (reported it today and Jan confirmed the path should be blocked). Story-wise it should not be possible so I don't want to.

 

I remembered what Karen said but I somehow didn't like her and it seemed more interesting to oppose her. Maybe someone would use the book to do something bad later on. :-D

 

Not Fire Blast but Flame Burst... It skipped it because it gained too many levels at once when purifying it and did not learn the moves from the levels between. Yes, I reported this bug earlier today as well.

I got clarification from Jan: The bug was being able to leave with Marianette behind you. Being able to leave the mansion after she's taken away is completely intentional.
Also, you can simply use common candies on Salazzle to level it down and one level before the earliest move you want, and relevel it.

 

EDIT: GODDAMNIT JAN >:(

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Thanks for clarification! Still I feel that the possibility to leave should be only enabled after finishing some trial for the maid guarding the entrance (such trial should only be possible to do after Marianette is taken). Do you think I should suggest it to Jan? This way it seems like a bug even if it's intentional - there was no way for the maid to suddenly leave her post.

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26 minutes ago, baldr said:

Thanks for clarification! Still I feel that the possibility to leave should be only enabled after finishing some trial for the maid guarding the entrance (such trial should only be possible to do after Marianette is taken). Do you think I should suggest it to Jan? This way it seems like a bug even if it's intentional - there was no way for the maid to suddenly leave her post.

Um, i'm not sure how to explain it but the maid leaves after marianette is taken away, thats supposed to happen, i mean its because marianette is kinda hard so you can leave and make the preparations you need

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Just now, baldr said:

Thanks for clarification! Still I feel that the possibility to leave should be only enabled after finishing some trial for the maid guarding the entrance (such trial should only be possible to do after Marianette is taken). Do you think I should suggest it to Jan? This way it seems like a bug even if it's intentional - there was no way for the maid to suddenly leave her post.

Spoiler

 

Maybe you don't get it.

When you're with Marianette, Maid is there.

When you're not with Marianette, Maid is not there.

There are NO bugs in place right now.

Jan programmed the game so that you CAN leave.

Therefore, you're playing the game the way it's meant to be played.

So you're breaking no rules by leaving.

Making it okay to leave and prepare, and looking at your team, you have a LOT of preparation to do.

Besides, it's either you leave and prepare. Or you're stuck at Marianette forever. Because you're NOT beating her with that team without some serious luck.

 

Not to sound rude or anything. Just to make sure we don't start off at the wrong foot lol.

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2 hours ago, baldr said:

 

No way to get Meditite or Charjabug now as I'm at a point of no return. I was a good boy and gave away the Garufa book so no Gothi for me. Lycanroc is Midday of course.

 

 

Yep, that's the only idea I got myself. It seems a bit cheap to level up over the cap and then reverse candy and evolve. I'm doing that stuff on regular basis in Reborn Hardcore - it seems right to do drastic things to deal with drastic opponents - but since this is not the Intense mode I'd like to avoid such approach. Still I will probably have to use it here...

I wouldn't feel bad about that I did the same thing to beat her too ,with my combusken, I evolved it to a blaziken at level 36 and then used a reverse candy to make it obey me.

I haven't lost any sleep because of it.

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Train lycanroc, mine resisted a multipulse and hit incredibly hard. Also, I agree with the popplio strategy.

 

Btw, don't worry about the book, not sure on v9, but on V8 you could get another later on (u still lose gotitha though).

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Just use a Swoobat with simple.Use calm mind 2 or 3 times and one shot every pokemon with confusion or air slash.Confusion is boosted because of the field.I sweeped first four gyms with this.You can also just level up your pokemon more or catch a makuhita  and evolve it to Hariyama.

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Is there any heart scale available at this point? If I remember correctly there is a move relearner in Sheridan - I'd like her to teach Flame Burst to my Salazzle.

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i don't think it is avaliable at this point. You can find later by doing mining.

You can go to the casino and buy Espurr.

Or try to catch Carbink.

Also evolve Fletchinder, and lower his level.

Good luck! :)

 

 

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Moonblast Primarina did the trick. She Moonblasted Bewear and two other Marianette's pokemon. After that she overleveled and ignored orders - otherwise she would have easily Hyper Voiced the Pyroar as well. Honestly it felt too easy.

 

I was surprised that the Cinccino didn't have Skill Link. While Primarina could survive a Skill Linked Bullet Seed it would be much closer.

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On 16/06/2017 at 7:13 AM, baldr said:

Moonblast Primarina did the trick. She Moonblasted Bewear and two other Marianette's pokemon. After that she overleveled and ignored orders - otherwise she would have easily Hyper Voiced the Pyroar as well. Honestly it felt too easy.

 

I was surprised that the Cinccino didn't have Skill Link. While Primarina could survive a Skill Linked Bullet Seed it would be much closer.

For Primarina if she is not listening, use the reverse candies so she is at least 2 stages below level that ignores orders. Bewear if memory serves is a normal/fighting type so fairy, psychic, fighting and flying types will do major damage. Try to get Flechinder to evolve so it can become more faster when facing Bewear. Primarina can take a few of her pokemon down but then there's the electric type who will be a problem for her but I'm sure your Lycanroc will do decent damage.

 

Hope this helps

 

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