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Desolation Hurt and Heal

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Same rules as the others.  Once a calendar day, you're allowed to hurt one character (-2) and heal another (+1). Specifically -2 +1; variations like -1 to two different characters and sacrificing hurting to heal two characters isn't allowed. When you do so, make sure to copy/paste the list from the most recent post, adding/subtracting the new points to the characters you hurt and heal. Also, it would be helpful if you state who you're hurting and healing above the list in your post ("Hurt x, heal x"). 

 

Aderyn: 20

Amelia: 20

Aurora: 20

Ava: 20

Baron: 20

Connor: 20

Emily: 20

Garrett: 20

Hardy: 20

Jarred: 20

Kuiki: 20

Lilith: 20

Mana: 20

Nova: 20

Rosetta: 20

Scarlett: 20

Sena: 20

Shiv: 20

Tristan: 20

 

List of casual teas in order:

 

Amelia, Kuiki, Baron, Connor, Lilith, Aderyn, Rosetta, Hardy, Shiv

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Petitioning for Mana (Gardevoir) to make the list. She has a portrait, after all! Also, I love Desolation. I don't know why, I enjoy its characters (or rather, dislike the least amount of characters in Desolation compared to other Pokemon fan games).

 

I'm not sure who's popular in this game, but my prediction is that Ava or Scarlett (although the latter has a lot of haters) to win? Assuming Ava will, though. That being said. . .

 

Heal Cool POC (Reborn desperately needs more of this) Wannabe Cowboy, Hurt Most Forgettable Gym Leader

Aderyn: 18

Amelia: 20

Aurora: 20

Ava: 20

Baron: 20

Connor: 20

Emily: 20

Garrett: 21

Hardy: 20

Jarred: 20

Kuiki: 20

Lilith: 20

Nova: 20

Rosetta: 20

Scarlett: 20

Sena: 20

Shiv: 20

Tristan: 20

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Mana has been added to the list! (not hurting and healing in this post, just adding Mana)

 

Aderyn: 18
Amelia: 20
Aurora: 20
Ava: 20
Baron: 20
Connor: 20
Emily: 20
Garrett: 21
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 20
Kuiki: 20
Lilith: 20

Mana: 20
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 20
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 20
Tristan: 20

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Heal Garret because he's a fucking hottie he's cool, Hurt Rosetta because in my opinion, she's incompetent in leading the City.

Aderyn: 18

Amelia: 20

Aurora: 20

Ava: 20

Baron: 20

Connor: 20

Emily: 20

Garrett: 22

Hardy: 20

Jarred: 20

Kuiki: 20

Lilith: 20

Nova: 20

Rosetta: 18

Scarlett: 20

Sena: 20

Shiv: 20

Tristan: 20

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Heal Ava hurt Connor

Aderyn: 18

Amelia: 20

Aurora: 20

Ava: 21

Baron: 20

Connor: 18

Emily: 20

Garrett: 22

Hardy: 20

Jarred: 20

Kuiki: 20

Lilith: 20

Nova: 20

Rosetta: 18

Scarlett: 20

Sena: 20

Shiv: 20

Tristan: 20

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Healing Jarred for obvious reasons, and hurting Connor.

 

Aderyn: 18

Amelia: 20

Aurora: 20

Ava: 21

Baron: 20

Connor: 18

Emily: 20

Garrett: 22

Hardy: 20

Jarred: 20

Kuiki: 20

Lilith: 20

Nova: 20

Rosetta: 18

Scarlett: 20

Sena: 20

Shiv: 20

Tristan: 20

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Heal Ava, Hurt Garret

Aderyn: 18

Amelia: 20

Aurora: 20

Ava: 22

Baron: 20

Connor: 18

Emily: 20

Garrett: 20

Hardy: 20

Jarred: 20

Kuiki: 20

Lilith: 20

Nova: 20

Rosetta: 18

Scarlett: 20

Sena: 20

Shiv: 20

Tristan: 20

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@Ard you forgot to add a point to Jarred in the list, and you forgot to subtract the points from Connor.

@everyone past my second post: you guys are somehow copying from a list before I added Mana, even though if you copied from the latest post it should have the list where I added her. 

 

This is what the list should be. 

 

Aderyn: 18
Amelia: 20
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 16
Emily: 20
Garrett: 20
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 20
Lilith: 20

Mana: 20
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 20
Tristan: 20

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I hate Amelia's dumb mug tbh

 

Aderyn: 18
Amelia: 18 (-2)
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 16
Emily: 20
Garrett: 21 (+1)
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 20
Lilith: 20

Mana: 20
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 20
Tristan: 20

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Heal Mana, hurt Connor

 

Aderyn: 18
Amelia: 18 
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 14
Emily: 20
Garrett: 21 
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 20
Lilith: 20
Mana: 21
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 20
Tristan: 20

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Heal Garett, hurt Kuiki

 

Aderyn: 18
Amelia: 18 
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 14
Emily: 20
Garrett: 22
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 20
Mana: 21
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 20
Tristan: 20

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Hurt Connor, heal Mana

 

Aderyn: 18
Amelia: 18 
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 12
Emily: 20
Garrett: 22
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 20
Mana: 22
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 20
Tristan: 20

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mfw Connor will be eliminated before Kuiki or Amelia. Too bad he's Fern!lite, but he actually has a redeeming side. Mana is cute, though.

 

Aderyn: 16
Amelia: 18 
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 12
Emily: 20
Garrett: 23
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 20
Mana: 22
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 20
Tristan: 20

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Hurt Shiv, Heal Tristan.

 

Aderyn: 16
Amelia: 18 
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 12
Emily: 20
Garrett: 23
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 20
Mana: 22
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 18
Tristan: 21

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Hurt Connor, heal Mana

 

Aderyn: 16
Amelia: 18 
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 10
Emily: 20
Garrett: 23
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 20
Mana: 23
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 18
Tristan: 21

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Aderyn: 14
Amelia: 18 
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 10
Emily: 20
Garrett: 24
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 20
Mana: 23
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 18
Tristan: 21

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Aderyn: 14
Amelia: 16 (-2)
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 11 (+1)
Emily: 20
Garrett: 24
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 20
Mana: 23
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 18
Tristan: 21

 

Connor is similar to Fern, but he's actually a good character and not a useless turd

Amelia is the actual Fern of the game: an annoying and pointless waste of time

 

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I think the reason people like Fern or Connor are more disliked than characters who've done worse things is because of the way they carry themselves. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Amelia or Kuiki either. I also acknowledge that Connor has good traits. He wanted to save Scarlett, saying that saving her was important to him. IIRC, he even apologized to the player when blocking our path with fire so he could save her himself. He wasn't okay with how Kuiki manipulated the villagers, and also told one villager he had a problem with them not considering women strong trainers. 

 

I still find him annoying in a similar way to Fern, though, the way he just casually insults people and acts like he's better than everyone else. Unlike Fern who usually makes excuses when he loses (the E15 battle being the first time he was actually visibly shaken by losing), Connor does get reality checks regularly from Ava not taking him seriously (and insulting him back, ex: saying the leader meetings are the only reason he stays relevant), and Emily putting him in his place with Connor never having a proper comeback for her. I still find him irritating despite that. I just don't like that kind of personality, regardless of whether the character has other redeeming qualities. I especially don't like what he said on the tower, how he knows he's belittled the player and he won't apologize because it's "just who I am". It did add buildup to him asking us to save Scarlett, so I'm not saying it was poorly written or worded. It was a very well done scene. Connor is definitely better than Fern, and Desolation wouldn't be the same without him. It's just me not liking the personality on a personal level. The reason I'm going after Connor right now instead of someone worse is basically personal vs business. 

 

I think even if people don't agree with the villains, they can usually find some other way to invest in them, like being interested in their backstory or at least being able to respect their resolve/strength/etc. even if they don't like their goals, while the in your face attitude of Fern and Connor will probably annoy more people. (I'm just guessing this and I could be wrong; I can't actually speak for other people)

 

I consider Amelia (and Baron) similar to Sirius from Reborn. They're people that don't really care about their boss's ideals and are only in it for the money and/or power. They're also possibly worse than their boss in morals and actions because they don't seem to have any morals, while their bosses have reasons for doing what they do, even if those reasons don't justify their actions. That being said when/if Connor goes down, my next target will be Amelia if she's still around.

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Connor is definitely the "Fern" of the game. Caz was incredibly inspired by Reborn and Rejuvenation in his story and characters, and it shows. However, I think Connor is a lot more likeable / redeemable than Fern. I wouldn't be friends with him in person, although I enjoy him as a character. I respect ICSW for not liking him . . . after all, HnHs are incredibly subjective, and generally people want to remove people they don't like from the list.

 

What I will say that I appreciate about Connor as opposed to say, Ren in Rejuvenation or Fern in Reborn is . . .

Spoiler

Fern turning traitor was not entirely unexpected, but Ren's seemed out of nowhere. I'm not a personal fan of his writing. I appreciate that Connor will probably never turn traitor / has strong morals like Ava. Hardy was one of my favorites before E4, but I feel like he got a lot more 'evil' out of nowhere in E4. . . since I suppose Hardy fits the role of 'male friend that turns traitor', I'm glad that Connor can be a jerk, but also one of the 'good guys'.

 

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Aderyn: 12
Amelia: 16 
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 11
Emily: 20
Garrett: 25
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 20
Mana: 23
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 18
Tristan: 21

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Indeed, Hurt and Heals are, and will always be, subjective. I still find Amelia far more irritating, as I think she has that Fern-esque personality as well, as she belittles pretty much everyone and is far too self-absorbed imo, but without any sort of redeeming traits (Connor has few).

 

Aderyn: 13 (+1)
Amelia: 14 (-2)
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 11
Emily: 20
Garrett: 25
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 20
Mana: 23
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 18
Tristan: 21

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I do think Connor is by far the most well-written between him, Fern, and Ren. I'd say Ren is the one I think needs the most work right now, but I've considered his "shadow of betrayal" thing possibly meaning he's actually spying on Team Xen and will double-cross them later, considering his talk with Crescent that we didn't see, which would make me like him more (I'd still think he's petty for the Goldenleaf grudge though). I think there's nothing poorly written about Connor at all. 

 

Actually, I'll change my target from Connor to Amelia.

 

Hurt Amelia, heal Mana

 

Aderyn: 13 
Amelia: 12
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 11
Emily: 20
Garrett: 25
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 20
Mana: 24
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 18
Tristan: 21
 

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Hurt Lilith, Heal Garrett

 

Aderyn: 13 
Amelia: 12
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 11
Emily: 20
Garrett: 26
Hardy: 20
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 18
Mana: 24
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 18
Tristan: 21

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Hurt Amelia, Heal Hardy

 

Aderyn: 13 
Amelia: 10
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 11
Emily: 20
Garrett: 26
Hardy: 21
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 18
Mana: 24
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 18
Tristan: 21

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Connor being the most well-written character between the swaglord/edgy antagonists is what makes me appreciate him tbh. Amelia is pretty one-dimensional imo, and that, along with being a really nasty character, is what makes her truly insufferable to me. That being said:

 

Aderyn: 13 
Amelia: 8 (-2)
Aurora: 20
Ava: 22
Baron: 20
Connor: 11
Emily: 20
Garrett: 27 (+1)
Hardy: 21
Jarred: 21
Kuiki: 18
Lilith: 18
Mana: 24
Nova: 20
Rosetta: 18
Scarlett: 20
Sena: 20
Shiv: 18
Tristan: 21

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