ty_taurus

I can't seem to extract the file from your download. It just kinda sits in extract limbo using rar opener. That said, I think I could make you a Dewgongite accessible through debug.

I've modded my own crests into my own file, though I don't typically use most of them and wanted to share the mod eventually, but I've been roadblocked on more crests I want to create but don't know how to. Regardess, this is what I have made currently: Dragonair Crest - Increase Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed x1.6 - Everstone Effect Furret Crest - Attack and Special Attack scale off Speed - Neuroforce Effect (increases damage dealt by super effective moves by x1.25) Girafarig Crest - Attack scales off Special Attack - Defense scales off Special Defense - Parental Bond effect Masquerain Crest - Water STAB & Resistances Flygon Crest - Bug STAB & Resistances Chimecho Crest - Increases Defense and Special Defense x1.2 - Activates Heal Bell when switched in Meowstic Crest M - Lowers the opposing team’s Special Attack on Switch in - Screens last 10 turns Meowstic Crest F - Lowers the opposing team’s Special Defense on Switch in - Psychic moves are super effective against Dark-Type Pokemon Aurorus Crest -Triggers Aurora Veil when switched in regardless of weather. Frosmoth Crest - Resists Fire and Rock There were more I wanted to make but can't quite figure out how to do, for example I really want to give Dewgong a crest that worked like Iron Barbs but for special attacks, but I can't figure it out.

I will at some point, possibly tomorrow, check out a few things, but someone I know also might know of a way to adjust that PokemonSystem thing. I'll see if they're interested in taking a look at it soon.

You know, oddly, there are empty item spaces. For example, Ultra Potion is item 680, but then the next line is item 690, Adrenaline Orb. So maybe moving those items down to fill those empty spaces will make them show up in debug? I will have to check it out when I'm off work later.

I think I added that upon someone's request actually here on the forums. Also there are no NPCs that use those, so if there's a crest you don't like the idea of, you can also just ignore it. I'd like to make it an official download for people, but I'm not really sure what the easiest route to accomplish this is. But yeah, it's odd that it doesn't appear in debug. There has to be somewhere that controls how that item list is populated.

So a while back I thought up working on some additional crests to mod into the game, and after a long break, I finished up a handful that I'd love to share with everyone here for those that are interested, but I have run into one main issue which is that, while the crests work, they don't seem to show up in the debug menu when trying to add items to my bag, and I have no idea why this is the case. I can add them as hidden items in the world, but I feel like it'd be easier for sharing purposes if they could just get added via debug. Can anyone help me troubleshoot that? I have the files adjusted for the additional crests in the zip that I attached for reference. Additional Crest Mod.zip

Hmm... Okay, so any of the crests that have physical or special moves scale off of a different stat all have the same basic function, and it looks kind of like this in Claydols' Case: Battler's index Special Attack = Battler's index Defense. Whether or not Defense boosts Special Attack is part of a different function which, for example, Typhlosion's crest does specify. In other words, the game is basically overwriting Claydol's Special Attack stat with its Defense stat rather than changing how the damage calculation works. In that regard, the description is slightly misleading, but what I'm trying to get at is they all have a certain function to them, and I think it's very weird that the design team would actively choose to make that very inconsistent from one Pokemon to the next based on balance alone especially when the details of how that works are left obscured to the casual player, and I'm not a fan of that. In my opinion, if you're going to create a trend of Pokemon Crests that cause certain stats to mimic other stats like that, then either all of them are also boosted when using that mimicked stat's boosting moves, or none of them do. Otherwise, anyone not paying attention to the forums and just playing on their own will likely not be able to understand properly, because they're presented with multiple conflicting examples that don't actually specify whether boosting does or doesn't affect that stat. If Claydol's too broken by getting a special attack boost from Cosmic Power, then perhaps the answer was that having its special attack get replaced with defense was a mistake and something else should've been done instead. Or perhaps the game should take into account boosting shenanigans and give opponents more ways of countering boosting Pokemon. But that's just my 2 cents on that. Regarding Thievul though, I'd rather fix it to work as it's described. Sure, Thievul's attack stat isn't great, but its special move pool is pretty shallow, and Thievul almost exclusively learns physical moves from level up. Decreasing your opponent's attack by half and adding that value to your own can end up having a much more significant effect for Thievul than 1 special attack boost does. Not only that, but you'd get to neuter strong physical attackers a lot more than 1 special attack decrease for special attackers, and both of these essentially work to cover Thievul's weaker physical stats.

I can confirm this. I've been working on modding in new crests and fixing bugs in existing ones and it's definitely a bizarre case with Thievul. As you mention, how the effect works is it lowers 1 opponent's special attack by 1 stage and increases Theivul's special attack by 1 stage. One thing though in the AI script is that the game actually thinks Thievul's crest works the way it's written in the description--that it lowers the opponent's attack by x0.5 and adds that to Thievul. There are a few other bugs too that I'd like to correct, like how Claydol's Crest doesn't actually account for Defense boosts to increase Special Attack even though it should considering how the Typhlosion Crest works.

the difficulty is the charm, most definitely. That said, I strongly feel that grind is NOT difficulty--it's monotony, and in fact takes away from the difficulty because you need to take a break from the game to sink a chunk of your personal time in order to bring your party up to a similar playing field to the opponent. And what's important about that exchange is that time's an important resource that extends beyond the game. This is something that the game industry as a whole has become more cognizant of over the last 8ish years. The official games get away with these ancient forms of min-maxing a) because it's Pokemon and it will make money no matter what and b) because the playthrough of the game is so painfully easy that these min-max training methods don't actually matter. I just use debug to get around the time sinks because I just don't have time in my life to spend 45 minutes EV training a single Pokemon, but I don't think that should be the answer. Sure, it's not hard to grind out the AP early on for the cards, that takes away from your ability to use that AP for other items like the golden items that allow us to bypass the equally ancient HM situation--something the official games have already done away with--or nature mints which were a massive step forward for the also outdated nature system. The fact that EV training already requires a significant amount of time per Pokemon to invest is already an unnecessarily slow hoop to jump through. Needing to grind AP just to have that opportunity is just more excess on top of excess. What I just want, and this is from the Pokemon games in general, is to streamline the training process to feel more like a worthwhile effort on the player's part that feels like natural progression--something that takes away the grind but retains some representation of your time spent training that Pokemon rather than just the "I snap my fingers and it's done" nature of using Debug. Here's my suggestion: EV Training; Defeating a Pokemon Trainer now awards every Pokemon in your party with EVs in each stat (5 for ordinary trainers, 10 for rivals and bosses, 15 for gym leaders and breeders later in the game). When a Pokemon has capped its EVs, you can respec that Pokemon's EVs at the Pokemon Center for a reasonable fee (2000 Pokedollars to respec all EVs or so) IVs: All Pokemon always have 31 IVs in every stat. You can respec IVs for free at the same place as EVs if you want a 0 IV stat. Honestly, IVs don't need to exist anymore. They don't offer any real level of customization or focus. Hidden Power: Separate Hidden Power type from IVs and just make that a separate value. I'd also love to see a physical Hidden Power and make changing your Pokemon's hidden power type something that actually does warrant a more valuable resource like AP or Heart Scales Natures: Change mints from being purchased with AP at the Casino to something you can buy at any mart for a reasonable fee. Again it's another example of something where it's a test of your knowledge of the Pokemon, not your ability to grind out the resources. Move Relearing: Honestly, I would kill to have Pokemon remember all moves they learn either via levelup or through TM/Tutor and you just go to the menu to set which 4 moves they'll currently use. It's so archaic to have to go to an NPC just to use a different moveset. Not to mention it would be fantastic to save different set, like a doubles set. It's so hard to justify holding onto a move like Follow Me in a game where you're constantly going to go through singles battles as well. Granted, this could be incredibly complext to toss into Pokemon Essentials. I'd say just make the move relearner free, make them present in all cities, and make the special move relearner who uses Heart Scales teach you egg moves. It's still painfully clunky, but it's probably unreasonable to expect an all-new UI system for storing and setting up movesets on the fly.

I feel like there are too many hoops to jump through for what is an essential aspect to combat engagement in this game. First and foremost, you shouldn't need to have to AP grind right from the start just to even have access to an actual EV training facility, and one of the core issues with EV training just on a conceptual level is it's just about grinding it out. There's no real challenge or test of your skill as a trainer. The real test comes from your knowledge and adaptability. Creating grindfest hoops for players to jump through is basically archaic in today's era of game design, and I think it would behoove both Rejuvenation and Reborn to adopt more modernized and manageable methods of EV training. For IVs, I don't even know why this is a value that still exists quite honestly. There are two incredibly niche situations in which having max IVs is not ideal: Special Attackers (who minimize confusion damage and Foul Play by having 0 attack IVs), and Trick Room teams (where having 0 speed IVs for some pokemon give them the ability to outspeed a handful of specific Pokemon under trick room). Beyond that, IVs are just an ancient form of stat customization that has aged very poorly. Natures are also pretty terrible design-wise. Only a handful of them even matter, and the rest actively handicapping the Pokemon that have them. Neurtal natures serve literally no purpose in any context, and while there is at least a decent amount that are useful to some Pokemon, any given Pokemon only really wants 1 or 2. At lot of these are just consequences of the official games' inability to grow and change with the development of the game industry. On a conceptual level, the idea of these factors can be at least an interesting thing, if not a good thing, but they're hilariously outdated in today's RPG design. It's significantly easier said than done, but I think since both Reborn and Rejuvenation are designed specifically to test your knowledge of Pokemon combat more than your ability to grind through the content like the main games, retaining these various hurtles just bogs the games down rather than props them up. Updating these with efficient ways of customizing your Pokemon with reasonable limitations so that you can't just get an all-new team every 5 minutes would do both games a lot of good.

That's an interesting option. I've yet to settle on anything that I really clicks for me. Some examples of ideas I though of: - Early Bird effect + something else... Dewgong resting is probably his most famous tactic and makes it a much stronger form of recovery, but then idk what you'd add to that. - Something to do with Encore, like countering attacks with Encore, but then it gets really cheesy really fast. Or Dewgong only counters moves resisted by water (Fire, Water, Ice, Steel) with Encore, but idk. - Something to do with Perish Song, perhaps while making Dewgong immune to it. Idk what direction I'd take this, and it could also get cheesy pretty quickly. - Giving Dewgong some kind of cleric functionality, like a reverse Regenerator (i.e. heals the Pokemon you switch in by 30% or something). Not sure if I could possibly make that work, but it's an idea.

I suppose the Cramorant part is fair, even with the encounter mod since that'll only guarantee you 1 Cormorant without much searching. Regarding Naved though, you can lean on Aelita for a lot of progress with the right couple mons. I remember that fight going pretty smoothly with a dedenne disabling his Pokemon, and a Rock Slide mon can get pretty far with flinch luck.

If you're trying to do this on Intense, here's an example of someone doing it with 4 Cramorants which can be caught at Blacksteeple:

I love Dewgong design wise, but he struggles to compete in any semblance to other defensive water type Pokemon and pales in comparison to every other fully evolved Water/Ice type Pokemon as well. I've been wracking my brain around what a Dewgong Crest could look like--something that's interesting and provides Dewgong with a solid niche, but it's kinda tough. Dewgong's moveset has a lot of limitations, so it becomes difficult to think about what kind of mechanics might genuinely benefit him. So I'm curious what others think about the topic.